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10-02-2005, 03:31 AM
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JJ vs 789TT
Live 2/4. Table is very passive except for one maniac, who isn't in this hand. Hero has JJ on the button. Villain is SB and is weak-tight, but a lot better than everyone else at the table. I think i recognize him from a 4/8 game elsewhere in town. 4 limpers, Hero raises, everyone calls. 5 to the flop.
Flop (10 SB): T T 9 rainbow Everyone checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, 2 callers. Turn (7 BB): 8 Everyone checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, EP villain calls, other caller folds. River (9 BB): 7 Villain checks, <font color="red">Hero bets, Villain raises</font>, Hero...? 
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#4
10-02-2005, 03:53 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
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Were you curious about raising or about folding on the river? [/ QUOTE ] Raising. Clearly i'm never folding for 1 bet here.
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#6
10-02-2005, 04:53 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
I think I'd raise here since he'll have a 69s here and think you have AA, KK, QQ or something and that he's going to be rich often enough.
A weak tight isn't going to have 88 or 77 here.
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#7
10-02-2005, 04:56 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
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I think I'd raise here since he'll have a 69s here and think you have AA, KK, QQ or something and that he's going to be rich often enough. A weak tight isn't going to have 88 or 77 here. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see a weak/tight player raising with the idiot straight. Matter of fact he isn't calling the SB with 69o.
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#8
10-02-2005, 05:18 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
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I don't see a weak/tight player raising with the idiot straight. Matter of fact he isn't calling the SB with 69o. [/ QUOTE ] "Weak-tight" is, obviously, shorthand. I can't think of any good examples of Villain's play, so i can't really convey a complete read to you. He definitely wouldn't have called with 69o, but it's not impossible he could have been playing something else with a 6 (66/56/A6) in it. Out of curiosity (and because my read is so vague), does your answer change if Villain is instead an unknown?
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#9
10-02-2005, 05:46 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
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"Weak-tight" is, obviously, shorthand. I can't think of any good examples of Villain's play, so i can't really convey a complete read to you. He definitely wouldn't have called with 69o, but it's not impossible he could have been playing something else with a 6 (66/56/A6) in it. Out of curiosity (and because my read is so vague), does your answer change if Villain is instead an unknown? [/ QUOTE ] My definition of a weak-tight player is that of someone who is only going to raise a hand that he is almost sure to win. Now, he could be raising you with a six. How could he put you on a pair of Jacks and see you walking into a straight on this board? But we're only putting him on a possible straight. Why can't we put villian on 77? These types of hands are classic weak-tight postflop play. Call the preflop raise with the PP and call down to the river thinking Hero has overcards. I simply don't think that Reraising this player is +EV. With the range of raising hands for this type of player I can't see us being profitable by popping this river again. To reraise this river I'd need to be playing against a total fish, or a complete maniac. But I don't even see how this play would be +EV. I'd need to look at it longer but I'm still saying just call.
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#10
10-02-2005, 06:36 AM
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Re: JJ vs 789TT
If he held QJ, why didn't he raise the turn? Have you noticed him "slow playing" anything down to the river?
I know some opponents like to raise rivers, others do it standardly on the turn. The 7 gives him a Jack high straight, before the river though he'd have no straight. If he raised the turn it would smell of QJ for a Qhigh straight. I say call because your only splitting with another jack, and losing to Q high. I dont think a weak tight raises with low end of a 1card straight. However he could easily put you on AA/KK/QQ so yeah call.
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