Did Phil Ivey implode..?Final table ESPN circuit event Take Tahoe - Page 4

troymclur · #1 08-10-2005, 02:08 PM

I think it was Barry Greenstein that described one of Ivey's weaknesses as neglecting tournaments. That coupled with his comment about getting bored at tournaments makes it pretty reasonable to think he might be inclined to say "screw it" much like one would if he were tilting, with the caveat that Phil isn't tilting as much as he's just trying to move on to the more interesting cash games.

Python49 · #2 08-10-2005, 03:10 PM

I thought it was obvious that after 3 long hours they decided to just chop so they could just get outta there.

troymclur · #3 08-10-2005, 03:50 PM

well, i haven't seen the fight yet so i probably should never have said anything [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. But i think there's some contention as to whether it was chopped or not. Along the lines of: why make a deal then play for over 3 hours?

JC_Saves · #4 08-10-2005, 07:04 PM

Ivey's play at the end head's up was just lame. To chase the flush and the straights the way he did I thought was careless, and the last hand was just fishy.

This guy is great, but I guess he isn't all that good to a guy that doesn't buy his schtick.

Lisandro should have busted his ass when he went all in and he had the FH with the 10s. There is no way I would have given him credit for a bigger hand at that moment by the way the hand was played. Ivey was lucky that he finished as high as he did considering how this had should have gone.

Quicksilvre · #5 08-10-2005, 10:04 PM

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Ivey's play at the end head's up was just lame.

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...in the hands we saw. I've got no clue how he played overall.

John Ho · #6 08-11-2005, 07:43 AM

If you're the chip leader like Lissandro was and you're shoving in lots of your chips against another chip leader with lots of short stacks still to be eliminated with an unimproved pair of 10s you are gonna regret it most of the time. These guys are playing for money not who never makes a mathematically incorrect fold.

fnurt · #7 08-11-2005, 11:17 AM

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If you're the chip leader like Lissandro was and you're shoving in lots of your chips against another chip leader with lots of short stacks still to be eliminated with an unimproved pair of 10s you are gonna regret it most of the time. These guys are playing for money not who never makes a mathematically incorrect fold.

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Be that as it may, Ivey has to think about the same issue when he sticks in all his chips against the one guy at the table who can bust him. It was a ballsy play, no question, but I don't think he would have made it if he knew the other guy had TT. I'm still not convinced it wasn't a little on the reckless side.

I won't criticize the laydown with TT but I don't think Ivey can COUNT on him making that laydown.

Hold'me · #8 08-11-2005, 02:19 PM

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Be that as it may, Ivey has to think about the same issue when he sticks in all his chips against the one guy at the table who can bust him. It was a ballsy play, no question, but I don't think he would have made it if he knew the other guy had TT. I'm still not convinced it wasn't a little on the reckless side.

I won't criticize the laydown with TT but I don't think Ivey can COUNT on him making that laydown.

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You think Phil wouldn't have made the all-in move if he was sure he didn't have the best hand? Anymore brilliant observations Captain obvious? Oh please do share.

#9 08-11-2005, 05:05 PM

I didnt even think he played the last hand bad. He put lisandro all in twice with good draws, lost them both, then lisandro made a good call in the last hand.

John Ho · #10 08-12-2005, 06:02 AM

That is a stupid comment. Just look at the last hand...Ivey is capable of going all in even when he knows he is beat.

Now whether he knew that on that 99 vs. TT hand is another matter.