Flopped Trips And I Only Bet Once?

#1 10-17-2005, 07:00 AM

relevent stack $145

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $6, 1 fold.

Flop: ($16) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($16) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls $10.

River: ($36) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $36

okay, so this guy was a 42/6/6, and had a went-to-shodown-when-seen-flop (what's the acronym for that again?) 19%

Had ~400 hands on him

So basically, I think he's too much of a TAG postflop to be check-calling the flop here

Eh?

soah · #2 10-17-2005, 07:23 AM

Playing your hand like this will likely have a significant impact on how he plays against you in the future. Sometimes it's worth it to bet hands even when you don't expect a call simply to protect your ability to pick up similar pots without the goods. (Although that's not an excuse to make -EV bets... but it helps sway me on the close decisions.)

This guy is pretty loose preflop. He could certainly have a variety of suited aces, or maybe even trashy offsuit aces. He will almost certainly call the river with them. He might even call with less -- some people read far too much into flop checks. Considering his aggression factor, I would expect for him to have made noise already if he had you beat. So I definitely can find value in betting the river, though you must weigh that against how much it would suck to get checkraised.

#3 10-17-2005, 08:01 AM

That's a good point about the metagame, because I would be betting that flop every time if I missed

#4 10-17-2005, 08:05 AM

I don't like the check on the flop. People who raise paired flops tend to NOT have the trips, and also tend to get more action.

#5 10-17-2005, 08:23 AM

yeah, usually I agree, and bet the flop, but this guy looked like a super tag postflop.

After every street it looks less and less likely he has an ace, hence my line

xorbie · #6 10-17-2005, 01:23 PM

I think you give up a ton of value here. Bet the flop. He'll call with a J most likely. The problem with playing it like you did is that while you do get paid off if villain has a lesser suited ace (although with his low showdown seen, I don't think you'll stack him, could be wrong though). OTOH, if villain does hit his free gutshot or something, you might end up playing a big pot with the ass end of things.

I can understand the flop check if you think this guy will play back at you, but tbh this is just not a board conducive to that. Likewise if you think a flop check will induce him to call two big bets later, but again this is a board on which that sort of play will just look like a slowplay.

If you don't want to just come out firing, bet $10 on the flop and check the turn, then bet the river. This looks like a bluff and will almost never get a fold if villain liked his hand on the flop.

orange · #7 10-17-2005, 02:33 PM

I think I like the bet/check/bet line best. You gave up some value IMO.

BobboFitos · #8 10-17-2005, 03:58 PM

I think you butchered this hand. (sry)

Bet the flop

Bet the turn

Bet the river

Is poker that hard?

Given you checked the flop, bet the turn, why'd you check the river? Afraid of XX [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ? He's not checking AJ or A5 or AQ here. Not that I think he is anywhere that strong.

xorbie · #9 10-17-2005, 04:34 PM

BTW good to see you are reading the digest, if nobody else is.

BobboFitos · #10 10-17-2005, 04:36 PM

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Yeah, thanks xorb for making it this week, i think they're freaking fabulous. I dont read all SSNL posts (like I used to) so it gives me a chance to see some very good threads.