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#11
03-03-2005, 07:40 AM
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Re: Am I an idiot?
Trying to move the average player off of top pair is very -ev. The only exceptions that come to mind are when you are using an obvious scare card or it is reasonably apparent (for some other reason) that you hold a better hand, and have played it in a manner consistent with such. Since neither of these exceptions apply here, I'm going to revert back to the original rule. To summarize, he is playing his tptk slowly, inducing a bluff; you realize this and bluff despite that.
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#12
03-03-2005, 07:53 AM
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Re: Am I an idiot?
This reminds me of the stupid plays you see at Foxwoods 1/2 NL.. Especially the other testosterone overflowing college kids - pulling Mini Gus Hansen moves trying to push me off a solid hand with 72o. If the stacks are short enough, of course I'm going to look them up (and I have a decent holding).
Online, it's even easier for someone to call you because they don't have to deal with the embarassment of losing like you do in live games. Bad play. No g00t!
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#13
03-03-2005, 08:21 AM
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Re: Am I an idiot?
Lets see what we got here:
- 3 players in the pot - The board shows both an A and an K - You raise a raiser and a caller with a K4 after river! What can they possible have that you can beat? Even if you know the first player is bluffing, and you know that the second player knows that, you can't call. An easier fold is hard to find (you should have folded before the flop, before the turn and before the river, but thats another matter). This is not even newbie play, this is the type of play you see when newbies thinks to much, and manages to make an even worse play then when they dont think. Horrible play, from the start to the end. Sorry for being a bit blunt!
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#15
03-03-2005, 06:05 PM
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Re: Am I an idiot?
[ QUOTE ]
This reminds me of the stupid plays you see at Foxwoods 1/2 NL.. Especially the other testosterone overflowing college kids - pulling Mini Gus Hansen moves trying to push me off a solid hand with 72o. If the stacks are short enough, of course I'm going to look them up (and I have a decent holding). Online, it's even easier for someone to call you because they don't have to deal with the embarassment of losing like you do in live games. Bad play. No g00t! [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough, but I would never have made a move like this heads up. I've found that squeeze plays at relatively tight/passive NL games can work extremely well, simply because its seen relatively infrequently--very few have the balls to come over the top of multiple players with no hand. Jason's post was the most helpful--I realize now that I wasn't even thinking about representing a hand. I just didn't respect the two other players in the pot and figured they would not jeopardize their stacks with a one pair hand on the river. I think I made an additional error in making a pot sized raise on the river, a more appropriate raise might have been $300 or so, maybe even a simple minraise. So basically, you're all a bunch of haters, but you're right: my play was stupid. And hey Duke I'm still laughing about the last $500 SNG we played together (which I won), why didn't you ever post that hand..."QK vs KK, fold or push???"
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