AA with 6 callers on a capped pot

steelcmg · #1 12-17-2004, 02:31 PM

I just started playing party poker 3 days ago to see how different it was from poker stars. I have to say that i thought there where alot of fish at pokerstars but party tops that i dont remember ever getting this many callers on capped pots in poker stars. Anyway my reads on atleast half the table are fish or maniac. I get dealt AA and am wondering if with 6 people in a pot if it was right to slow down after no one was going to fold and i knew that most of the people would be drawing or holding anything. Since i got beat out earlier against 8 6o on the same type of play with QQ.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 3-bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (24 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, MP3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (18 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Th As (two pair, tens and threes).
BB has 8c Tc (two pair, tens and threes).
Hero has Ad Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
MP1 has Kd Jh (straight, king high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 26 BB.

btspider · #2 12-17-2004, 02:35 PM

don't include the results. i'd cap the flop and bet the turn. if MP1 was one of the maniacs, I'd smooth call the flop and bet the turn, hoping he raises to help protect my hand. of course, that 3 is a great card for you if no one has trips.

steelcmg · #3 12-17-2004, 03:25 PM

I guess there is a reason why i shouldnt post the results but not sure why. I knew the 3 was a good card for me and i figured i was in the lead but i also figured with 3 players calling atleast 2 of them where drawing most likely to a flush. I know if one of them where drawing to the flush acording to Two Dimes im actually behind in the hand after the flop.

Also i since i have been getting out drawn alot lately i figured i might try and save myself some money. I know this is a big no no in poker but its so hard to continue to be aggresive when ur big hands keep getting out drawn.

droolie · #4 12-17-2004, 03:26 PM

As a rule slowing down is fine when you meet resistance when all you have is an overpair. How often is Top Pair going to win a family pot? I often slow down when I've been representing AA and some other bettor "wakes up" on the later streets. It usually means they have a holding that they think will beat Top Pair. This is read dependent though...

In this example I'd raise the turn. If the flop raiser has two pair it's likely the 3 counterfitted him and you're now ahead.

ErrantNight · #5 12-17-2004, 03:34 PM

What up steel...

1) don't post results if you want real feedback... people won't know what to tell you if they can see the future.

2) I like the flop raise. 2a) the pot is huge at the point it comes back to you, and you don't have position on the flop 3-better... I think you should cap for value here. You're going to have an awful hard time protecting your hand on the turn, and how they play on a turn blank against someone who's capped two consecutive streets will tell you a lot more. Yeah, you might already be behind, but there's draws out there, and someone with two pair you have outs against, and there's a good chance you still have the best hand.

3) no matter what, I think you should bet this turn. The 3 doesn't help anyone and may have just counterfeited someone's two-pair. you want to charge backdoor diamond draws, and you don't know what MP1 is doing (either when he 3-bets the flop, he might want a free card, or if you capped the flop, in which case he might be scared) if you check to him.

4) bet the river for value, although depending if you capped the flop and were raised on the turn you need to shift gears a little. i think you'd have just been called on the turn by MP1, so bet the river for value. when/if raised, call 1 bet if closed coming back to you, i think you can get out if it's raised and 3-bet and/or there are cold-callers in front of you, even with this huge pot. you've shown strength, and anyone raising this river has two pair, Aces over Threes, beat.

btspider · #6 12-17-2004, 03:34 PM

aggression leads to variance.. you have to ride it out without changing your post flop game much. if you are on a downswing, you can tighten up PF on marginal/suspect hands (e.g. no read on a table? fold Axs UTG PF until you have a read). don't change your postflop game. that's how small downswings become large.

the reason not to include results is that it will skew the results. you didn't know what they had, neither should we. you can post them when the discussion has run its course.

ErrantNight · #7 12-17-2004, 03:36 PM

it's hard enough to not be results-oriented in our own play. it's just as hard not to be results-oriented when giving advice. particularly since even if we ignore the holdings they had (and how "likely" they were to have them), it also might give subconscious "reads" as to these players that you didn't otherwise have.

It's only helpful for you if you can get advice when you had to make a tough decision and we're in your shoes.

PokerBob · #8 12-17-2004, 03:41 PM

God bless MP1.

steelcmg · #9 12-17-2004, 03:44 PM

Thanks for the replys ill have to keep trying and being aggresive with these monster hands i think normally i would have bet and raised when ever i got the chance but like i said i have seen my bank roll drop and drop over the last month. Im i think i may take some time off and read some books again if anything it will help me get back to being a winning player (I HOPE).