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12-21-2005, 02:52 AM
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Love it or Hate it?
** Phantom [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- SB sitting in seat 1 with $541.71 - BB sitting in seat 2 with $815.35 - HERO sitting in seat 3 with $793.89 - MP sitting in seat 4 with $326.50 - CO sitting in seat 5 with $92.20 - Button sitting in seat 6 with $902.01 [Dealer] SB posted the small blind - $1.50 BB posted the big blind - $3.00 ** Dealing card to HERO: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] HERO raised - $14.00 MP folded CO called - $14.00 Button folded SB called - $14.00 BB called - $14.00 ** Dealing the flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB checked BB checked HERO bet - $25.00 CO folded SB called - $25.00 BB folded ** Dealing the turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB checked HERO bet - $60.00 SB called - $60.00 ** Dealing the river: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] SB bet - $120.00 HERO folded SB mucks: SB wins $343.00 from the main pot 
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#3
12-21-2005, 03:07 AM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
Well you seemed to have priced him in nicely. As played i like the fold because he clearly does not want you to check behind with the 4straight on board and wants to maximize value.
However i think you need to bet more on flop and turn which should hopefully make things easier for you and more -EV for him if hes drawing.
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#5
12-21-2005, 03:22 AM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
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Bet waaaay more on either the flop or the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Why would i want people to fold, if there is a flop that safe? The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there. Or if I had bet pot on the turn? He would have folded a worse hand, but raised a better.
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#6
12-21-2005, 04:31 AM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
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The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there. [/ QUOTE ] actually if you bet the flop and win the pot is a nice handy $56 profit which is far greater than the -$85 you ended up pocketing without seeing a showdown.
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#7
12-21-2005, 04:46 AM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
I don't mind betting somewhat small on the flop, but I'd still bet a little more. I'd check the turn and keep the pot small(use your position). Call/bet reasonable river. Pretty standard.
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#8
12-21-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
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[ QUOTE ] The guy had no odds to draw and I made profit. Let's say I had bet the pot on the flop and everybody had folded. No profit there. [/ QUOTE ] actually if you bet the flop and win the pot is a nice handy $56 profit which is far greater than the -$85 you ended up pocketing without seeing a showdown. [/ QUOTE ] First, the profit was $42 on the flop. Second, since when did getting outdrawn mean that I actually lost? Ok, I lost this time, but what about the other times when I win? They don't count, because I lost this particular hand? The profit would have been $127, if he had not hit his river. I assume he did hit it, because the bet was inviting me to call. He would not have done that kind of a bet with AQ or something. Lets do some math.. We shall expect that he had A with a smaller kicker. Lets say 7 or 8. In that case he had 14% chance of beating me by the river. So I was approximately 6:1 favorite to win the pot.. Now let's think about playing the hand 7 times you way and my way. You bet pot on the flop and make a profit of 7x$42 = $294. I make 6x$127-1x$99 = $663. Now tell me which is better? And what about all those hands I am already losing after the flop? I won't lose as much, because I bet sufficiently, but not like crazy. That is an ideal flop to slowplay a set. Finally I noticed that this is wrong forum for this, so just forget about it.
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#9
12-21-2005, 01:08 PM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
hate it - flop and turn bets are way too small.
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#10
12-21-2005, 03:14 PM
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Re: Love it or Hate it?
[ QUOTE ]
** Phantom [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - SB sitting in seat 1 with $541.71 - BB sitting in seat 2 with $815.35 - HERO sitting in seat 3 with $793.89 - MP sitting in seat 4 with $326.50 - CO sitting in seat 5 with $92.20 - Button sitting in seat 6 with $902.01 [Dealer] SB posted the small blind - $1.50 BB posted the big blind - $3.00 ** Dealing card to HERO: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] HERO raised - $14.00 MP folded CO called - $14.00 Button folded SB called - $14.00 BB called - $14.00 ** Dealing the flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB checked BB checked HERO bet - $25.00 CO folded SB called - $25.00 BB folded ** Dealing the turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB checked HERO bet - $60.00 SB called - $60.00 ** Dealing the river: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] SB bet - $120.00 HERO folded SB mucks: SB wins $343.00 from the main pot [/ QUOTE ] check behind on the turn.
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