If I were a terrorist...

[sam h]

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However, they have also been domestically disrupted. You tend not to hear a lot about the latter, because of the general practice of law enforcement to not comment about ongoing investigations and/or sources & uses of intelligence. However, some reports have been published, e.g. Oregon training camps, Lackawanna group, etc.

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But would you agree that from the very scant amount we know about domestic enforcement of Al Qaeda activities, is is impossible to ascertain (a) the degree to which the group's activities in the US indeed have been "disrupted" overall and (b) the degree to which the provisions of the Patriot Act has done anything to help?

I don't think the public can get past pure speculation on this one, because we are not privy to inside information.

[mackthefork]

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"I would hate it, because it makes it harder to kill Americans."

Eitehr the terrorists are imcompetant or killing americans isn't really their primary goal. Getting people into this country isn't that hard, and killing people isn't that hard. They don't do the second very often.
Why is that?

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They don't want you to get used to it, that would dull the pain when it happens, shock and fear and surprise are the goals as much as death.

Mack

[theweatherman]

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Without security, there can be no liberty.

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Haha, if only there was a quote out there, maybe by a founding father, that goes against this ridiculous idea. . .

oh wait, got one:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Ben Franklin

Thanks Ben, your wisdom rings true then and now. I'm so glad you can make these enemies of liberty (aptly named as a despot) look stupid with their silly tyrannical ideas.

[Exsubmariner]

It's one of those problems which determines whether a civilization lives or dies. That's what it is.

X

[Felix_Nietsche]

Can you name one specific example in which the Patriot Act has altered your life?

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Can you name one specific example in which the Patriot Act has altered your life?

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Banning guns would alter my life not one bit, by I still don't want to do it. I guess you can say it may indirectly affect it somehow, but that doesn't really matter. Not every single liberty is important to (in that it affects them) every individual, but a lot of people still want them for liberty's sake. If midgets weren't allowed to vote if probably wouldn't affect 99% of people.

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Can you name one specific example in which the Patriot Act has altered your life?

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Yes, I used to work for a very lefty, progressive lobby. We had to constantly change our meeting places at the last minute because we knew it was legal for our government to spy on us and we thought it a high likelyhood that they were. We simply didn't feel safe to question and rebel against our government, no matter how legal our actions. That feeling is pretty darn unAmerican in my mind. If the Patriot Act instills this kind of fear among civilians seeking change, it's gotta be bad.

[InchoateHand]

Mrs.NPA

You are good people.

DespotInExile...your moniker fits. I am much more frightened of people like you than of your "imperfect proxy" in Muslims.

"Christians" will be the death of America. They are a doing a good job so far.

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"Christians" will be the death of America.

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This is very disturbing that you think this. I dare not ask that you elaborate.