First hand 'read' leads to 2nd hand extra $$

golfboy7 · #1 11-08-2005, 11:58 PM

Play any of these differently?

I'm posting results to hand 1 so that you can see the stupidity of my opponent which leads to my play in hand 2.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

I called here because I was afraid bb was a total bluff and wanted button to come along. if I raise, button might fold, BB might fold and I win no extra money. Plus I have the NUTS.

River: (9.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

SB actually called my river bet with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I made a mental note that he is an idiot and went on to the next hand.

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

bad raises? or standard against this opponent?

El Tigre · #2 11-09-2005, 12:11 AM

Against this guy I play it the same way. NH

W. Deranged · #3 11-09-2005, 01:26 AM

The way hand #1 played out should show exactly why it's better to raise the turn:

1. The guy behind you may well fold for one bet anyway, so "not shutting him out" is a moot point in many cases. The A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is the scariest card in the deck for many hands he could hold.

2. The SB fish could call down even when he has basically nothing.

Not raising also sucks when a river [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] totally kills your action.

Alex/Mugaaz · #4 11-09-2005, 01:33 AM

I don't raise the river in hand 2, what do you guys think of that? Is that weak, stupid, smart, what?

Pog0 · #5 11-09-2005, 02:03 AM

In hand 2, i'll put villian on "random hand", and you're ahead of a random hand, so I see no reason not to raise.

flopmonster · #6 11-09-2005, 03:00 AM

Keep raising hand two...nice aggression

BigBrother · #7 11-10-2005, 11:29 AM

Hand 1: Chances are raising on the turn has better value than going for overcalls and a river bluff. Sane players are folding for 1 when the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hits, and some players will call 2 with a lone Q anyway.

Hand 2: This one is pretty close I think. His idiocy in Hand 1 most likely stems from the fact he just wants to see a showdown for whatever reason.

In hand 2 he is actively betting into you after you have raised, so I think the river raise is marginal. I can't fold to a river 3-bet against this erratic player, so if he has me beat it could cost me 2. I probably just call on the end, but I think raising is very close.