Johnny Damon signs with Yankees

[jdl22]

sublime,

In this thread you have repeatedly stated or given evidence that this is a bad deal for the Yankees in terms of value per dollar. This you have done well, however you have yet to discuss why that matters.

George clearly doesn't care about value per dollar. He's getting another high profile guy that will bring in more publicity and merchandise money. Furthermore, he's getting the best available guy on the free-agent market (correct me if I'm wrong here as I could be). He's clearly more than happy to pay through the nose in luxury tax. Will this signing prevent the Yankees from getting players they need in the future? If so I could see your point but I'm not sure that's the case.

If George doesn't care about value, and the Yankees won't be prevented from getting players they need down the road then it's still a good deal even if it is atrocious in terms of value.

[sublime]

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sublime,

In this thread you have repeatedly stated or given evidence that this is a bad deal for the Yankees in terms of value per dollar. This you have done well, however you have yet to discuss why that matters.

George clearly doesn't care about value per dollar. He's getting another high profile guy that will bring in more publicity and merchandise money. Furthermore, he's getting the best available guy on the free-agent market (correct me if I'm wrong here as I could be). He's clearly more than happy to pay through the nose in luxury tax. Will this signing prevent the Yankees from getting players they need in the future? If so I could see your point but I'm not sure that's the case.

If George doesn't care about value, and the Yankees won't be prevented from getting players they need down the road then it's still a good deal even if it is atrocious in terms of value.

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i agree with everything you said, and i think my stance on these 'deal breakdowns' gets lost in translation. i love baseball, i love watching baseball, listening to baseball, and reading about baseball. however, the on the field game doesn't interest me as much as the business behind the game. when i see a deal get signed, i immediately want to see what the potential EV is on the field, and if the team made a wise investment. i do it for every player, from johnny damon to rudy seanez. this differentiates me from most *cough* fans, as they go by their perceptions of players and what they 'think' they are worth, while i try to apply math to the situation.

so when i say, johnny damon isn't worth 13m a year compared to his counterparts some people interpret that as a bashing of the player. its not.

as for the yankees, i was convinced they were finally taking a hard stance and were going to rebuld on the fly. deals like this prevent that from happening. while some can say only the yankees can afford to do deals like this, one could also counter that they are a team that CANT afford to do a deal like this. sooner or later the piper will need to be paid. you cant continue to field teams with high priced free agents and not having any homegrown/cheap talent to replace them.

[jdl22]

Sublime,

Interesting, do you consider the impact on marketing and merchandise sales? I have no idea how to quantify the first nor how large the second is. I'm more familiar with the business side of European soccer where selling jerseys is big business. In baseball I'm sure it's not as big but probably has some effect. This would also vary by team. I'm guessing that Johnny Damon had a much bigger marketing effect on the Red Sox than he'll have in New York. Basically for a huge team adding another famous player will have less effect that it would on smaller teams (not that Boston is in any way a small team).

Jared

[Jack of Arcades]

Jared,

I really don't know how well this si going to go over with most yankee fans. I know plenty of yankee fans that can't bring themselves to root for Johnny.

[sublime]

I'm guessing that Johnny Damon had a much bigger marketing effect on the Red Sox than he'll have in New York.

I agree, on the NYY he is the 4th or 5th most marketable figure.

also, i dont facftor any of that into a contract.

[technologic]

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sublime,

In this thread you have repeatedly stated or given evidence that this is a bad deal for the Yankees in terms of value per dollar. This you have done well, however you have yet to discuss why that matters.

George clearly doesn't care about value per dollar. He's getting another high profile guy that will bring in more publicity and merchandise money. Furthermore, he's getting the best available guy on the free-agent market (correct me if I'm wrong here as I could be). He's clearly more than happy to pay through the nose in luxury tax. Will this signing prevent the Yankees from getting players they need in the future? If so I could see your point but I'm not sure that's the case.

If George doesn't care about value, and the Yankees won't be prevented from getting players they need down the road then it's still a good deal even if it is atrocious in terms of value.

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i agree with everything you said, and i think my stance on these 'deal breakdowns' gets lost in translation. i love baseball, i love watching baseball, listening to baseball, and reading about baseball. however, the on the field game doesn't interest me as much as the business behind the game. when i see a deal get signed, i immediately want to see what the potential EV is on the field, and if the team made a wise investment. i do it for every player, from johnny damon to rudy seanez. this differentiates me from most *cough* fans, as they go by their perceptions of players and what they 'think' they are worth, while i try to apply math to the situation.

so when i say, johnny damon isn't worth 13m a year compared to his counterparts some people interpret that as a bashing of the player. its not.

as for the yankees, i was convinced they were finally taking a hard stance and were going to rebuld on the fly. deals like this prevent that from happening. while some can say only the yankees can afford to do deals like this, one could also counter that they are a team that CANT afford to do a deal like this. sooner or later the piper will need to be paid. you cant continue to field teams with high priced free agents and not having any homegrown/cheap talent to replace them.

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wtf you talkin about. we got melky cabrera.

just out of curiosity, what deal do you think would've been fair price for damon for BOS or NYY, and if the price point should be different for either team? curious also to that post concerning marketability of damon paying off part of his cost. that's part of the reason why mariners would never deal ichiro right?

[thatpfunk]

Craig,
Rw seems way more reasonable than aceking. I would still never make the bet without an intermediary (you know this of course), but ace has done everything possible in this thread to make it seem like he'd figure out a way to weasel out of the bet.

You know Mason will not hold money, tread lightly.

[craig r]

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Craig,
Rw seems way more reasonable than aceking. I would still never make the bet without an intermediary (you know this of course), but ace has done everything possible in this thread to make it seem like he'd figure out a way to weasel out of the bet.

You know Mason will not hold money, tread lightly.

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Okay, you and JoA convinced me. I will bet this with Rw. I think I can take being called a coward by AceKing.

Let me know what you want to do Rw. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

craig

[craig r]

Alright, rwperu34 and me have made our bet. I took BOS and he took NYY. $100 + $10 per game (half games are worth $5) with a cap of 20 (max win $300). A tie is a tie. Whether the teams make the post season or not is irrelavent.

I am taking BOS and he is taking NYY. I am not thrilled with my bet, since I didn't look at the odds first (which I always do). But, this will be fun for me either way.

craig

[rwperu34]

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Alright, rwperu34 and me have made our bet. I took BOS and he took NYY. $100 + $10 per game (half games are worth $5) with a cap of 20 (max win $300). A tie is a tie. Whether the teams make the post season or not is irrelavent.

I am taking BOS and he is taking NYY. I am not thrilled with my bet, since I didn't look at the odds first (which I always do). But, this will be fun for me either way.

craig

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I accepted this bet. I have the Yankees.