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Old 12-22-2005, 05:13 PM
locutus2002 locutus2002 is offline
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Default Re: 88 in EP. (Stars $20 Deepstack) Oh, and i\'m a calling station.

The pot is T2500 at the turn.

villain stands to win 15% of T5500 if we check/call the river or ~T825. This is the equity we give up by checking the turn against two overs. We give up this equity for the case when villain bluffs when he is behind, which should be pretty slim, even though this was the case and villain made a mini-bluff at the turn, and a mini-bluff on the river.

IMO villain should have checked behind on the turn or pushed putting a really difficult decision to hero, and the amount of times he bluffs/pushes is not enough to justify hero checking the turn and giving a free card IMO. Given the fact that neither side is likely to have the jack, villain should be content with the equity that hero is giving him (free card) and check behind.

In my line I'd expect villain to call most of the hands that are ahead, and many of the hands that are behind.
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: 88 in EP. (Stars $20 Deepstack) Oh, and i\'m a calling station.

You dont think Villan bluffs the turn? There are plenty of potential hands that bet this without thinking they are bluffing. It really doesnt look like we have a J. So, I think he bets any PP, AX KX with a pair, and a lot of over cards. If he checks behind, that is fine. We prefer this pot small anyway
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: 88 in EP. (Stars $20 Deepstack) Oh, and i\'m a calling station.

IF villain bets the turn he should push not mini-bluff.

From villain's point of view, hero probably has a midpair or overs. Villain is behind. (Note that from both players point of view they are behind) The number of jacks that villain can represent dropped by 50%. Hero is probably committed to the pot with a mid pair. I'd say villains FE just dropped dramatically, and he should check behind and expect hero to check on the river.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:10 AM
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Default Re: 88 in EP. (Stars $20 Deepstack) Oh, and i\'m a calling station.

I agree that, villan's best line is either to jam the turn or check.
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