Libertarians: Closer to Liberals or Conservatives ?

[Cyrus]

Yeah, it's Conservatives, I know.

But I find this very funny seeing as how the Conservatives have been the side that's taken away more individual freedoms, while appearing to hand out "economic freedoms".

Which is kinda nifty and sly, if you think of it: Liberate capital, enslave the citizenry.

Here are a couple of news items:

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AutoWeek: Your movements in the car will be monitored, from now on.

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Loompanics: New laws make the federal government a Bill Collector for the Credit Card Companies.

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[Darryl_P]

I like to think I'm a real conservative yet I sense that libertarians and anarcho-capitalists are working towards my ideals better than most republicans and neocons.

[Oblomov]

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I like to think I'm a real conservative yet I sense that libertarians and anarcho-capitalists are working towards my ideals better than most republicans and neocons.

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This post makes me wonder how you would define 'real conservatism'. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Darryl_P]

In another thread I posted this:

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The way I see it, true conservatism is about God being in charge, men answering to God, women answering to their husbands who place a high value on the family as the fundamental building block of society, and families interacting with each other in ways which they deem mutually beneficial with only minimal involvement from a (secular) central authority.


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vulturesrow also added this link which I more or less agree with.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

true conservatism is about God being in charge, men answering to God, women answering to their husbands

Wow. I already know I'm not a liberal, but if this is true, I'm also not a conservative.

[lehighguy]

Welcome to libraterianism. If you understand Eco 101, and you don't go to church, you'll like it here.

[MMMMMM]

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But I find this very funny seeing as how the Conservatives have been the side that's taken away more individual freedoms, while appearing to hand out "economic freedoms".

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I deeply question this assertion. For instance, it is liberal Democrats who have authored/pushed through most of the laws (pre-911, at least) giving government the right to seize property on mere suspicion (asset seizure and forfeiture laws, purportedly to advance the "war on drugs", among other things), and laws which are invasive of privacy (banking laws such as the infamous "know your customer" law). By the way John Kerry has long been a major proponent and initiator of such laws and even an author.

Post 9/11, maybe it is conservatives who have pushed through more such laws; I don't know. But overall I think your claim is deeply suspicious.

Anyway, you titled your post about Libertarians; then went off on a tangent about Conservatives. Did any Libertarians author or help push through the types of laws you are bringing to attention? If not, what does the title of your post really have to do with the body of your post (other than the combination of the two being a cheap and unsupportable implicit sideswipe at Libertarians)?

[coffeecrazy1]

I agree with 6M. What does your post have to do with Libertarians, especially since you answer your own question in the first sentence? Seems to me you did the politics forum version of the following:

SEX! Now that I have your attention, here's why you should buy (insert whatever product you are selling).

Just because there are many libertarians on here does not mean it's a good idea to put the word in your subject line so as to generate views. That is a cheap, used-car salesman move.

But...what can you expect from a Democrat... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[canis582]

Its not a left and a right, its a wheel. Libertarians and authoritarians are at oppisite ends and liberals and conservatives are at oppisite ends.

It is possible to be liberal and authoritarian or liberal and libertarian.

The Bush white house has extremely authoritarian policies with increased police powers, reduced oversight of CIA servalience, increased powers to sieze private personal and business records etc.

His nomination of Alito will serve to take away the rights of the individual.

Our individual rights are being taken away slowly, but steadily.

[etgryphon]

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His nomination of Alito will serve to take away the rights of the individual.


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This show a profound lack of understanding of the judicial branch of government. The Judicial Branch can't "take" away rights. It can only rule about the laws passed by the Legislative branch. Its the legislative branch that "takes" or rather limits personal "rights". I guess you can say that the judiciary can facilitate the "taking" of rights by not standing in the gap and doing their job. This has been done for 70 years with gun rights...

It the legislative branch that takes rights. This is how it should be. We can vote out members of the legislative branchs and the executive branches.

-Gryph