2 hands... No big misplay this time

#1 12-02-2005, 04:46 PM

SB is 21/8/1,0 over 1464 hands

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 folds.

Flop: (5.00 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...

I was putting him on a flush draw but that can't be right since is he really so tricky to go for a check/raise on the river? Nah. What can he have? J with weak kicker? I'm lost. What do I do on the river? I guess value bet?

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BB is 27/9/1,1 over 1500 hands
Button is 22/8/1,4 over 1000 hands

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
6 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, Button caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Now that was an interesting event of action on the flop. BB calling everything while me and Button raise each other.

Turn: (9.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button checks.

Ok, whats going on here? I was going into a check/call mode. Hmm...

River: (9.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button raises, Hero ...

I feel I have to lead out on the river after the turn action. I doubt he is slowplaying anything.

WalkAmongUs · #2 12-02-2005, 04:51 PM

Hand 1: I would check that river. The flush got there and it looks like a good chance he's just being passive with a weaker J.

Hand 2: I would just call the river. This button action is confusing. I don't know what he would play this way...a flush draw and then bluff-raised the river????

shant · #3 12-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Hand 1: I don't think this is a value bet.

Hand 2: I don't like any line that involves checking the turn.

WalkAmongUs · #4 12-02-2005, 04:54 PM

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Hand 2: I don't like any line that involves checking the turn.

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Agreed.

#5 12-02-2005, 05:03 PM

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Hand 2: I don't like any line that involves checking the turn.

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Not even with the flop action and with the intention of calling behind? I put it at atleast 90% chance that Button will raise the turn here. Why don't you like the check?

shant · #6 12-02-2005, 05:08 PM

Because people will cap the flop looking for free cards for their flush draw, and I don't like giving it to them.

Sometimes I call the flop raise and bet a blank turn, or I 3-bet like you did, but I still bet the turn. I think if you had bet the turn and the Button still raised the field you could fold.

WalkAmongUs · #7 12-02-2005, 05:13 PM

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Because people will cap the flop looking for free cards for their flush draw, and I don't like giving it to them.

Sometimes I call the flop raise and bet a blank turn, or I 3-bet like you did, but I still bet the turn. I think if you had bet the turn and the Button still raised the field you could fold.

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I also think betting the turn has the added advantage of defining buttons hand. If he still raises then its not looking good for you.

I of course would call a turn raise and then call one bet on the river, thinking "pots big enough to call". However, this is because I'm not good enough to fold when I'm beaten. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

#8 12-02-2005, 05:21 PM

Hand 1. Check behind.
Hand 2. Call the flop bet.
Bet\fold the turn.

EDIT: You're easily good more than 1:12 to call the river in hand 2.

#9 12-02-2005, 06:09 PM

Grunch:

Hand 1 - easy check - small pot & what would he call with? I really din't want the C/R out of him, so don't offer.

Hand 2 - are they both donks? Yikes! 1 totally passive and 1 hot n cold. Honestly, I'm calling just out of curiosity.