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#11
10-27-2005, 09:05 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
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really really aweful I think. Just get to showdown. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] The TAG sees the following, which is more important to what I am holding: 1) My preflop raise 2) My flop bet/3-bet despite him showing considerable preflop and flop strength. 3) My turn bet/3-bet 4) A paired board 5) A 3-flush board Yet, he still caps? And this is a really really awful fold? 
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#12
10-27-2005, 09:11 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] hmm intressting.. the pot is very big so i would pray to see ATs and call down Curious why bet-3bet insteed of checkrais? [/ QUOTE ] I bet/3-bet because I think it's the best way to get AK to fold on the turn. Most TAGs will not lay down to a flop CR on a paired board with Ace hi. They normally call it down. I think bet/3-betting is the only way I can win this hand unimproved. [/ QUOTE ] Raising with AK on that flop is pretty bad and most tags won't do it. Most of the time you are getting raised by an overpair then 3-betting it...not a good situation. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting. I would have thought that bet/3-betting is way more effective than checkraising. Do you ever bet/3-bet on the flop as a semi-bluff?
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#13
10-27-2005, 09:11 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
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So, you're saying he definitely has AA? That's the only hand he could have that beats you. [/ QUOTE ] A lot of you guys like to say stuff like this. First of all, he could definitely have TT. Every heard of a fastplay? There is only one player behind the tag so it's not like he really makes any extra by just calling. In fact, I'd venture that he is MORE likely to have TT than AA by a significant margin giving the flop call/turn raise. I think AA normally caps this flop. But that's not my point. My point is: yes, TT and AA are the only hands that beat him. But these are also the ONLY hands that the tag could hold given the action. Look at the board. Look at hero's hand. Look at the villain's numbers. Note one other hand that's even close to logical for him to play this way. Sometimes it's simply possible to narrow somebody down to a very narrow range. Not through tunnel vision, through handreading. If you ignore this information just because "that's the only hand he could have that beats you" then you are costing yourself money plain and simple.
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#14
10-27-2005, 09:16 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
I used to do it a lot but I kicked the habit. Solid players simply don't raise with overs in that situation. Your only hope here is that he raised with 88-99 and will drop it to your 3-bet or on the turn (this also seems unlikely somehow). If you have a read on the guy that says "raises flop with overs too often" then I can definitely see merit to your play. Otherwise I think the c/r wins.
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#16
10-27-2005, 09:20 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
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I used to do it a lot but I kicked the habit. Solid players simply don't raise with overs in that situation. Your only hope here is that he raised with 88-99 and will drop it to your 3-bet or on the turn (this also seems unlikely somehow). If you have a read on the guy that says "raises flop with overs too often" then I can definitely see merit to your play. Otherwise I think the c/r wins. [/ QUOTE ] I think I see your point. I think bet/3-betting should be saved for BB situations where the CO/Button has raised and you have defended. Then, a bet/3-bet with a strong draw + overcards is often for value and you have the chance to fold out Ace high.
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#17
10-27-2005, 11:06 AM
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Re: Folding the nut flush with outs
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[ QUOTE ] really really aweful I think. Just get to showdown. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] The TAG sees the following, which is more important to what I am holding: 1) My preflop raise 2) My flop bet/3-bet despite him showing considerable preflop and flop strength. 3) My turn bet/3-bet 4) A paired board 5) A 3-flush board Yet, he still caps? And this is a really really awful fold? [/ QUOTE ] I've thought about it more and I think it's okay. Not an aweful fold, I just think a hand of this strength needs to go to showdown so maybe you should have slowed down earlier. But when you look at it that way, there isn't really a safe spot to slowdown. Krishan
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