ps 5/10. setting a trap, gone wrong?

THWAP! · #1 07-13-2005, 01:39 PM

Here is the hand. I just lost a pair+ flush draw type hand all in against a somewha donkish opponent.

next hand, i get dealt kk. ep raises, dude calls (they're both short), i push, no one calls. i'm making it seem like i'm on tilt.

the very next hand, I get dealt AA. folded to me. I make a tilty looking raise to 75. here is the hand.

my read of situation: clearly, everyone now thinks i'm tilting. villain in this hand: he's loose aggressive. like, very loose. he'd chilled out a bit up until now, but he's still loose aggressive. so, i played this hand as a trap.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($1067)
Hero ($1075)
CO ($347)
Button ($1095.75)
SB ($222)
BB ($123.05)
UTG ($185)
UTG+1 ($204.90)
MP1 ($397.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $75, 1 fold, Button calls $75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($165) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $60, Hero calls $60.

Turn: ($285) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $140, Hero calls $140.

River: ($565) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $820.75 (All-In), Hero ?????

three things:

(1) jesus h christ, i wish i had defined this hand earlier

(2) what do you think of the line i took on all sts

(3) given the action to this point, call or fold?

Final Pot: $2185.75

hotkelly · #2 07-13-2005, 01:54 PM

1. I raise his flop bet of 60 to 175. If he calls or re-raises, I push on turn. I think you waited too long to raise and maniac beat you to it.

2. I fold the River all day long on this hand. Pot size of 500 does not warrant calling another 800 to find out he has you beat.

canis582 · #3 07-13-2005, 02:03 PM

Over pair no Goot. The thing with AA and the like is that you want to get your money in PF or on the flop when you are still the favorite vs. drawing hands.

thabadguy · #4 07-13-2005, 02:11 PM

I think i call. You said the table thought u were tilting, so you wouldnt mind calling with a diamond draw etc. and could be raising trash preflop. Also does he call/reraise with TT-KK preflop?A lotta lag's will reraise(myself included) so its an important question. I think I pay off a set here, just because he overbet doesnt mean he has u beat.
I think you get shown a broadway ace/ TT-QQ here.

Leptyne · #5 07-13-2005, 04:06 PM

I'd like to offer a constructive comment but I don't know how. Thats certainly a strange way to play AA, in fact I don't believe I've seen that before. I'm also confused by the LAG's total lack of aggression until the river push.

I guess this hand pretty well fits the description of your setting the trap. If I'm villain I think you've got maybe AK and I step into your well set trap. Since you designed this trap why would you even hesitate. Looks like an insta-call as you slam the trap shut.

capone0 · #6 07-13-2005, 04:13 PM

This is why you don't just cold call with big hands after the flop, you have 0 idea of where the player is at all streets. He could have backdoored a flush, he could have set, he could have nothing. Because you just check-called weak tighted his @ss you have no idea what he has, and on the river he's putting you to a test instead of the reverse. You can't win this hand playing this way, you might be trapping, but after the flop you might be behind, you never know with check calling with Aces after the flop.

AZK · #7 07-13-2005, 04:29 PM

I like a turn check-raise here...

flawless_victory · #8 07-13-2005, 04:37 PM

[ QUOTE ]
(3) given the action to this point

[/ QUOTE ]i thought this is what you wanted??

Rotating Rabbit · #9 07-13-2005, 04:38 PM

Surely if you really were angry you'd bet this flop. If you really want to represent the tilt maybe check raise the flop.

As it stands it looks like the whole table expects you to call the river, thus fold.

9cao · #10 07-13-2005, 04:42 PM

Looks like it could be a missed draw with overbet but if he really believed you were tilting he could easily have a set. I also would not be surprised if Villain backed into flush. 820 for 1370?? I fold.