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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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[ QUOTE ] I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond. |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond. [/ QUOTE ] Your hand is pretty transparent if you check/call the turn and then bet a 4 flush river, I dont see getting bluff raised (or smaller diamond) really, but I dont play the 30/60, so I could be way off |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond. [/ QUOTE ] Your hand is pretty transparent if you check/call the turn and then bet a 4 flush river, I dont see getting bluff raised (or smaller diamond) really, but I dont play the 30/60, so I could be way off [/ QUOTE ] well if we check call the turn that implies that he bets the turn. there arent many hands that are gonna have a bigger diamond than us and bet the turn and raise the river. edit-alobar has informed me that all im really doing here is making a case for betting vs checking. clarkmeisters theorem says bet/call not bet fold dammit! |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
Considering villain raised pf, it's hard to see that he's going to have a 2 or 4 of diamonds in his hand. Possibly, he raised from MP with 55 or 77 (and one of them was a diamond). Seem more plausible that he raised with pocket Ts or Js (and therefore more likely that his flush is higher).
I am torn here about whether I could call a raise on the river, especially because it's such a bluff-inducing board. Is c/c the river (when diamond falls) so bad? |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
People do all kinds of freaky deeky [censored] on 3 flush and 4 flush boards. Villain had better be damned well behaved for me to even think about folding here.
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
I agree with you about how people behave with all those suits on the board. But doesn't that make it even more likely that we could induce a non-flush to bet the river, if we check?
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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I agree with you about how people behave with all those suits on the board. But doesn't that make it even more likely that we could induce a non-flush to bet the river, if we check? [/ QUOTE ] They're seperate events. He will check behind with a pair, so we must donk for value. If he raises he may be trying to move us off a better pair, a small flush, or just because he knows that if you raise on a four flush board people sometimes fold. We should call. Now, very little of that makes sense, but I don't expect my uknown opponents to act logically or in their best interests. I expect them to do random donkey [censored] because they are, by and large, random idiot donkeys. |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm thinking check/call, check/fold unimproved. Bet/fold a river diamond and checkraise a river 8. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Im really surprised you guys are saying bet/fold a diamond. [/ QUOTE ] Your hand is pretty transparent if you check/call the turn and then bet a 4 flush river, I dont see getting bluff raised (or smaller diamond) really, but I dont play the 30/60, so I could be way off [/ QUOTE ] well if we check call the turn that implies that he bets the turn. there arent many hands that are gonna have a bigger diamond than us and bet the turn and raise the river. edit-alobar has informed me that all im really doing here is making a case for betting vs checking. clarkmeisters theorem says bet/call not bet fold dammit! [/ QUOTE ] Clark's theorem doesn't apply here. It is not for when you actually have the flush. It is also a bet fold line. Some discussion and links here. |
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It is not for when you actually have the flush. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter what you have. Bet. |
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Re: Pretty common turn spot that I hate
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[ QUOTE ] It is not for when you actually have the flush. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't matter what you have. Bet. [/ QUOTE ] yeah thats what I thought. ty clark [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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