T9s vs. a pain in the ass

[POKhER]

In hand 1,

If you think he hold's nothing, RAISE THE TURN.

from his stats and play, i'm raising the turn and then eithr C/C river or value betting when he wimps out a bit.

in hand 2 - where are your reads? is lagtard BB aswell? confused as you say its the only hand you've played below implying 1hand?

Ill assume thats the same guy, i fold preflop and on the flop.

[jba]

for people saying fold preflop, realize this is four handed and bob is stealing from the cutoff, standard with T9s.

I raise the turn or river in hand 1 and fold the turn hand 2.

[POKhER]

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for people saying fold preflop, realize this is four handed and bob is stealing from the cutoff, standard with T9s.

I raise the turn or river in hand 1 and fold the turn hand 2.

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Ah yeah, Good point don't fold preflop then - I didn't check that my bad.

i dont like the hand 2 plan here though, i think most guys will fire again on the turn and we don't have many outs to make flop call(we may pick up a OESD but lose to a king, only hope is maybe making trips/2pair with 7.3:1 to call and some outs may be dirty.

What ya reckon?

[jba]

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i dont like the hand 2 plan here though, i think most guys will fire again on the turn and we don't have many outs to make flop call(we may pick up a OESD but lose to a king, only hope is maybe making trips/2pair with 7.3:1 to call and some outs may be dirty.

What ya reckon?

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I don't think folding the flop is that bad at all, but I tend to peel a bit looser the more I think a guy is playing back at me. without the prior history i think i'd fold.

[Peter Harris]

hand 1 i say raise the turn 100% here

hand 2 i like a flop fold, even with prior history villain may have any ace, any jack, spade draw, or pocket pair below TT. I'd be inclined to fold the flop, although peeling for a T/9 is reasonable, I'd not do it.

[grunch]

Hand 1 is fine although I might raise the river. Hand 2 you should raise the flop or fold. 33/22 isn't that unreasonable a player, and you didn't say how many hands you have on him. Your tens are good almost never vs. a reasonable hand range. You are beating 66-99 here plus maybe K9 and everything else beats you.

DERG, I am grunching, you know?

somehow, I don't think the read in hand 1 applies to hand 2. His pre-flop raising is a bit spewy, but not maniacal. Regarding Hand 2, most villain's pre-flop 3-betting standards are generally decent (he's not a 35/30/4 for example). In this case, I think we're often behind from pre-flop to river. I think you're goal is to get it to showdown, but I'm not sure it's worth it with this hand. I would probably raise/call the flop and fold the turn UI.

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for people saying fold preflop, realize this is four handed and bob is stealing from the cutoff, standard with T9s.

I raise the turn or river in hand 1 and fold the turn hand 2.

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I think this is marginal (training wheels on).

[jusander]

Like said, hand 1 isn't that bad at all, it's ok. And hand 2 I would fold turn.

[deepsquat]

Why does everyone say to raise the river in Hand 1 and not the turn. I agree one of these streets needs to be raised, but why the river? We have TPGK + outs to prob the nuts.

He may not bet the river for us to raise.