AJs UTG

[baronzeus]

Both opponents unknown, a few hands, CO has been in every pot.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: (6.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

[flawless_victory]

looks fine...
itd be pretty brutal if this guy showed A2 and dragged.

[mperich]

I think I like a river call better than a river raise, especially since CO is unknown. Basically your line makes no sense for pretty much any hand. Obviously button usually has QJ or diamonds. Cant see him checking behind this scary of a board with a pair here. So, if you checkraise and the CO is anywhere near competent he will not be folding a 9 or a ten. I like calling the 3bet tho, good 3rd level thinking.

-Mike

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So, if you checkraise and the CO is anywhere near competent he will not be folding a 9 or a ten.

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I disagree with this. I think that most competent players who only call the flop (a sign that if they have a pair, it's weak) are looking for a reason to fold, and Baronzeus gave them one by making it 2-bets to them.

-v

[oreogod]

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So, if you checkraise and the CO is anywhere near competent he will not be folding a 9 or a ten.

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I disagree with this. I think that most competent players who only call the flop (a sign that if they have a pair, it's weak) are looking for a reason to fold, and Baronzeus gave them one by making it 2-bets to them.

-v

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Wait, what? Any compitent player is calling here, putting Button on a draw, and Baron on A-high...I mean if Baron had anything hes betting the river...if I was CO Im not looking to fold there...seriously, Baron checked the turn and the river, then checkraised...if Im holding mid-pair/top pair Im good there quite often.

I think u are mixing compitent, with a weak unthinking player. Both are different.

EDIT: But yes, if it makes CO fold a pair a percentage of the time its worth it (my only problem is pot size, anyway I just got up, so Im going to read the rest of the responses as my head is a little fuzzy right now). But most loose players will call here, and weak players will fold.

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I think u are mixing compitent, with a weak unthinking player. Both are different.


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Hi Oreogod,

No, I am taking competent to mean 'not a terrible player, but not a good player either.'
Notice that the cutoff probably isn't a great player given his action in the hand, and the fact that he has been in all of the few hands that Baron has watched. So he's either bad, or merely competent. You can't expect a player such as this to always figure out the meaning of the bet and check-raise on the river and make a correct overcall. If he's bad, me may call because he just likes his pair. If he's competent, he's more likely to look at the double bet and think "there's no way my weak pair is good here" and fold.

-v

[baronzeus]

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he's more likely to look at the double bet and think "there's no way my weak pair is good here" and fold.

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this is my main point oreo, i think he just looks at the river spot hes in as a vacuum-like situation. you are giving him way too much or way too little credit here.
yes, these are good points

[Justin A]

I like a flop check here, but I might be crazy.

[baronzeus]

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I like a flop check here, but I might be crazy.

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explain?


oh, and mperich, i was trying to fold out worse pairs (5, 6, 2) . do you think that's stupid?

[Justin A]

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I like a flop check here, but I might be crazy.

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explain?


oh, and mperich, i was trying to fold out worse pairs (5, 6, 2) . do you think that's stupid?

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Because T9 falls smack dab in the middle of a cold callers range. I don't see you ever taking this down on the flop. The flop is low enough that you'll get raised by any pair, and if you are somehow ahead, no one is folding and you'll be faced with the same decision on the turn.