Standard OOP play?

Roy6 · #1 10-31-2005, 08:11 PM

Opponent is 49/22/1.4 donk.
I raised a lot preflop so far and he almost always coldcalled and took the pot from me with a bet on a big street when checked to.
He wasn't that agressive, barely raised a bet of PFR with a good, but not great hand, but was certainly able to bet out if checked to with them.

Hand 1

I think I should bet the turn here.

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (3.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.70 BB.

Hand 2

who's for betting the turn and who says to play river differently?

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB.

LoaferGee12 · #2 10-31-2005, 08:27 PM

In hand 1 I'm either continue betting that turn or just going in to check-call mode (turn+river). The way you played it I think you have to call that river.

LoaferGee12 · #3 10-31-2005, 08:34 PM

Number two gotta bet the turn too. Lotta villains will peel here and then fold the turn, and you've got a decent amount of outs when behind anyway.

Transference · #4 10-31-2005, 08:34 PM

I'm betting these turns.

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almost always coldcalled and took the pot from me with a bet on a big street when checked to.

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This means hes either hitting allot or peeling very often. Its more likely that hes peeling and bluffing with some frequency. This means your high cards have more value when they whiff on the turn because his calls give no indication that he is ahead. Second and perhaps more important, your unlikely to get a free card if you check. So if your going to see the river anyway bet those turns and pick up the FE.

If hes playing way to many hands your losing a ton if you just roll over when you miss. You need to be leading allot of turns against this guy when you miss and probably c/ring when you hit.

Roy6 · #5 10-31-2005, 08:38 PM

In Hand1 I can easily see him taking a shot with KJ on the river. So if I bet turn, what do I do on this river if he bets?

Hand2:
I guess if we always push hard OOP he'll raise his OK hands on the turn, and it sucks if you draw.

aslowjoe · #6 10-31-2005, 08:42 PM

These guys can really kill you when you go cold and there very frustrating. You bet the turn and they raise you check the turn and they catch the river when there bottom cards pairs for 4th pair. Anyway

Hand 1. I would bet the turn. The way you played I would call the river.

Hand 2 bet the turn

LoaferGee12 · #7 10-31-2005, 08:45 PM

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In Hand1 I can easily see him taking a shot with KJ on the river. So if I bet turn, what do I do on this river if he bets?

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If this is the case, then it's an easy check-call.

Roy6 · #8 10-31-2005, 08:58 PM

I think it would be really helpful if we could determine
that this kind of player

in Hand1:
-how often they peel the flop with no pair and don't continue if I bet turn (certainly not if they hold a high [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])
-how often they have a small PP and go to SD unless another [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits and they have no flush
-how often they call to raise the turn?

in Hand2:

-do they peel the flop with K8o, 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] kind longshots?
-how often they have a small PP and go to SD no matter what?
-how often they call the turn with a small ace?
-how often they call to raise the turn?

Do you have any idea for these?