set of aces, 4 straight on board.

[chopchoi]

Pokerroom $20 SNG with $100 added. 4 handed, blinds 150/300, and about to increase. I''m BB w/ AA. I have about 3,900 chips, as does SB. 1 other player has about 3,500. The smalles stack is 2,500.

SB is pretty tight. He min-raises. I mean to re-raise to 1,200 but make a mistake and only raise to 900. He calls.

Flop is A,Q,J rainbow. He checks. The straight potential is scary, but my hand is strong enough that I want to make some money off of it. I don't want to bet him out of the pot. I figure if he has anything, he'll call a half-pot bet, so I bet 900. He calls.

The turn is a 10. F#ck! He leads out with the minimum bet of 600. I really don't see him doing this without the K. I call, praying the river will pair the board. It doesn't. He bets 600 again.


The small stack is weak, and I figure with 1,500 chips, I have a good shot of making it into the money, but with 900, It'll be hard. Would anyone fold here?

[Maulik]

I would have folded the turn, but you've almost committed yourself to calling here, haven't you?

I'd fold

[octaveshift]

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my hand is strong enough that I want to make some money off of it.

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You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

With a board like that, I am shutting it down (by pushing) as soon as possible.

[chopchoi]

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I would have folded the turn, but you've almost committed yourself to calling here, haven't you?

I'd fold

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Why should I fold the turn? I'm getting 7:1, with 10 outs.

[chopchoi]

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my hand is strong enough that I want to make some money off of it.

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You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

With a board like that, I am shutting it down (by pushing) as soon as possible.

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I considered that, but then I thought, "There are only 8 cards in the deck that scare me (4 tens and 4 kings). The odds are that one won't come, and even if one comes, there's a good chance it won't help him, and even if it helps him, I have a strong redraw." So trying to milk him seemed like a good idea at the time.

[durron597]

The pot has 1800 chips in it and you have a scary board that your set of aces is unfortunately vulnerable on. There are 8 cards in the deck that you really don't want to see.

If he has AK, let him make the mistake of calling your flop push.

[gildwulf]

I would overbet this pot on the flop with a push (I recently posted a 30+3 hand with a similar problem).

[TheNoodleMan]

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my hand is strong enough that I want to make some money off of it.

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You made your bed, now you have to lie in it.

With a board like that, I am shutting it down (by pushing) as soon as possible.

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couldn't have said it better myself.

[chopchoi]

I don't want to be rude, and I appreciate everyones advice, but many of you are not answering my question. I did not ask if I should have pushed the flop, I asked if I should call the river. It's not just this post either. Often, when I read threds that other people have started, I notcie that those who reply do not answer the question that was asked.

I don't mind your saying that I should have pushed the flop, but please try to answer the original question es well (e.g. "You should have pushed the flop, but since you didn't, you should...").

Thanks, and I apolgize if I offended anyone.

[octaveshift]

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So trying to milk him seemed like a good idea at the time.

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I appreciate your desire to get maximum value from your strong hands- it's something I have been working on lately, as I have a tendency to shut the hand down when I am sure I am ahead. I _rarely_ continue past the flop in my games. If I do, it's because I have 3252526 outs, or I flopped the nuts.

(I think Gamboholic_ plays a similar style. It means I either end up with a huge stack from doubling up a few times, or I get broke early in the game.)

Chasing in SNGs is generally a very bad idea.

Save your extraction plays for a less scary board, and dare I say, a stronger hand. Against a tight player, it's highly unlikely that he wasn't helped by that flop... however unless he has *exactly* KT, you are ahead. Just push the chips in the middle and feel good about getting your money in with the best of it.