Live 10/20

[Roland]

What’s the structure? What site was this?
Bet the river. What where you afraid of?

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What’s the structure? What site was this?

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Live -- not a site. $1 Ante, $3 Bring in.

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Bet the river. What where you afraid of?

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Interesting question. I checked for a few reasons.

First, my gut: I had a bad feeling about the cold calling and the straightforward guy betting into my three flush earlier.

Second, this is a game of regulars and this may be a mistake -- typically in this game, if someone has a made hand and it is obvious that there are better draws out there or that they may be beat, people check with the intention of calling to save a bet.

Third, I was pretty sure they knew I had the flush. If a flush was best I was not going to get any callers. If I was beat, I was likely to face a raise. A bet behind me could be a boat or a bluff -- I was calling unless it was two bets back to me.

[Roland]

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First, my gut: I had a bad feeling about the cold calling and the straightforward guy betting into my three flush earlier.

Second, this is a game of regulars and this may be a mistake -- typically in this game, if someone has a made hand and it is obvious that there are better draws out there or that they may be beat, people check with the intention of calling to save a bet.

Third, I was pretty sure they knew I had the flush. If a flush was best I was not going to get any callers. If I was beat, I was likely to face a raise. A bet behind me could be a boat or a bluff -- I was calling unless it was two bets back to me.

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This logic is flawed. Of course they can be pretty sure you have a flush. But they can’t see your hole cards! Anyone with an ace-high flush is going to raise you. You might not want to 3-bet (kinda hard to tell how likely a boat is without knowledge of the other up cards), but even if you get raised your hand should be good the majority of the time. What’s more, they will still call you with trips or a good two pairs probably.

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The reasoning is definitely flawed -- but checking has some meta-game benefits as well... and playing live, I get a far better feel for whether or not I am beat. In fact, If I did not have two 9s -- which looked like I had some of Seat 8's cards -- I may have folded on the river (although that is not very likely). Also, on the river, the other villain called hesitantly and told me I was in third place... I couldn't convince myself to save the bet though.

[highlife]

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The reasoning is definitely flawed -- but checking has some meta-game benefits as well... and playing live, I get a far better feel for whether or not I am beat. In fact, If I did not have two 9s -- which looked like I had some of Seat 8's cards -- I may have folded on the river (although that is not very likely). Also, on the river, the other villain called hesitantly and told me I was in third place... I couldn't convince myself to save the bet though.

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very results oriented, you shouldn't be able to put your opponents on quads and a boat based on the boards/action of this hand. bet this river every time.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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very results oriented, you shouldn't be able to put your opponents on quads and a boat based on the boards/action of this hand. bet this river every time.

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What is resulted oriented? I certainly don't put them both on made hands -- its whether I put at least one of them on a better made hand.

[highlife]

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very results oriented, you shouldn't be able to put your opponents on quads and a boat based on the boards/action of this hand. bet this river every time.

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What is resulted oriented? I certainly don't put them both on made hands -- its whether I put at least one of them on a better made hand.

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you made a mistake by not betting this river, but you justify the mistake by the results of the hand (coming 3rd best).