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11-02-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
Use PokerStove, that way you can give ranges to opponents instead of set cards. Knowing that a particular combo gives you no edge doesn't mean much, youi need a stat that tells you that you have an equity edge over the ranges that all opponents might have.
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#13
11-02-2005, 07:53 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
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You don't have any equity edge. You got only 19.5%. [/ QUOTE ] Part of the reason to raise here is so observant people don't see you only raise from the blinds w/ big pairs and AK. It's important to raise some of the break even hands to add variance to your play, especially at 15/30.
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#14
11-02-2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
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When your opponents have: 1: KTo 2: 33 3: QJs 4: 86s You don't have any equity edge. You got only 19.5%. [/ QUOTE ] This is in the fairly unlikely case that your opponents have tons and tons of live cards and you are already behind.
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#15
11-02-2005, 08:33 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
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[ QUOTE ] 5-handed with AQo OOP, is that such an easy raise? [/ QUOTE ] 5-handed, yes. You are very rarely up against any hands dominating yours, and many of your opponents certainly have worse/dominated hands. Easy value raise. [/ QUOTE ] I almost always love your posts, but I have to disagree here. AQo rarely has any equity edge over a 5 player field unless your opponents are playing purely random hands. Combined with being out of position and the deception gained by not raising, I think checking in the BB or simply completing the SB with AQo is a fine play. Not that I think raising is a bad play. I just don't think it accomplishes much.
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#16
11-02-2005, 08:41 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 5-handed with AQo OOP, is that such an easy raise? [/ QUOTE ] 5-handed, yes. You are very rarely up against any hands dominating yours, and many of your opponents certainly have worse/dominated hands. Easy value raise. [/ QUOTE ] I almost always love your posts, but I have to disagree here. AQo rarely has any equity edge over a 5 player field unless your opponents are playing purely random hands. Combined with being out of position and the deception gained by not raising, I think checking in the BB or simply completing the SB with AQo is a fine play. Not that I think raising is a bad play. I just don't think it accomplishes much. [/ QUOTE ] I think that one thing people are not realizing is that the cards that people are likely playing in a 5-way pot include TONS of hands that we are dominating. Let me put it this way. Everyone here would agree raising AKo is probably right. What exactly is the difference between AQ and AK in this situation? We are pretty much as likely to be dominating hands, and because there is no pre-flop raise, we have every reason to believe that among the non-pair hands ours is best. The only different between the two is that sometimes we'll find a flop with a K and a Q, and so we'll hit a pair that's not top pair. That's the only difference. Kind of minor, in my opinion. (For the naysayers, who will ask "well then why not AJ, and AT, and so on ad infinitum ?" I have an answer. Notice that for AJ, not only are there now twice as many cards that could come as overcards to the J, but there are now non-pair hands that we are not that far ahead of--KQ-- and it's possible we're dominated by a limper who has AQ. These things add up, so I think AJ is not a clear raise here. ATo, noting there are three overcards to the T that hurt us and a very real possibility of domination, becomes clearly not a raise.)
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#17
11-02-2005, 08:48 PM
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Re: i know its standard but....
You win. The main thrust of my argument was the lack of equity edge of our offsuit hand against 4 opponents playing non-random hands. Well, Poker Stove says I'm wrong. You have just over 25% equity against 4 opponents with non-raising hands like small pairs (22-66), suited connectors, small to medium suited aces, medium suited kings, and offsuit broadways.
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#18
11-03-2005, 08:00 AM
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11-03-2005, 09:37 AM
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