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#41
11-27-2005, 05:27 PM
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Here\'s how.
I'm by no means a great player, and I've been agonizing for the past month on whether I'm on a never-ending downswing or playing horribly. I'm down 250BB over 40K hands of 1/2. After reviewing sessions I always find some bad play, but the big difference is always the same--I win the small pots and lose the big ones.
Here's a sample table from last night. It was the best table I've ever seen, so I stayed. There were an average of five or six big fish, most of them on my right, all night. Their VP$IP ranged from 40 to 90. When one would bust out, or fill up on my chips and leave, another would take his place. I lost 52BB in 269 hands. Unfortunately, this is not an aberration. I usually have one or two tables per session like this, and they all to frequently overwhelm the profitable tables for the day. It doesn't take many of these to make up a 200BB downswing. If someone can tell me how expert play can somehow deliver me better starting hands, prevent miracle-card suckouts on the river, or occasionally make my flush in a big pot, I'd love to hear it. Session stats, PokerStars 1/2 full ring: Total hands 269 VP$IP 15.24 W$WSF 15.79 Amount won (104.00) BB/100 (19.33) WSD 21.05 W$SD 16.67 PFR 3.35 All of my winning hands, 10 out of 269: AKs 11.25 won without showing AQ 5.25 won without showing AJ 3.25 pair of eights AT 2.00 won without showing AT 5.75 won without showing A6s 4.25 sixes and nines A5s 11.75 won without showing K4 2.50 won without showing JJ 8.00 won without showing 64o .50 won without showing The big losing hands: AJ -13.00 jacks and sixes, lost to flush on the river A7s -12.00 pair of sevens, lost to three sixes on the river QQ -11.00 queens and nines, lost to aces and nines Q2s - 8.00 three queens, lost to runner-runner flush on the river JT -12.00 jacks and tens, lost to straight on the river TT -10.00 tens, lost to aces and jacks T9 -12.50 tens, lost to kings on the river All the other pocket pairs: 88 - 2.00 folded after flop, full house fives full of jacks 77 - 2.00 folded after flop of KK4 66 - 1.00 folded after flop, jacks and sevens 66 - 1.00 folded after flop, aces 66 - 1.00 folded after turn, aces and jacks 55 - 1.00 folded after flop, straight, nine to king 33 - 1.00 folded after flop of AT4 All the other suited connectors: JTs - 1.00 folded after flop to raise, eights 87s folded preflop, aces and queens 65s folded preflop, nines and deuces 65s - 2.00 folded after flop, aces and queens 54s - .50 folded preflop, tens and eights 54s folded preflop All the rest of the losses were blinds, being pushed out by pre-flop raises, limping and calling one back then missing the flop and folding to a flop raise. It adds up. 
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#42
11-27-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: Here\'s how.
This probably deserves it's own post in the micro-forum.
I only breezed through your stats. But you have a MAJOR leak in your game. You aren't raising enough. I don't care that it's Stars, and that's it's only 1/2 and that's it's only 270 hands. You're going to have those stretches where you win hardly any showdowns after 300 hands (such as you did here) but it's tougher to find a stretch where you legitimately should be raising only 3.3% of your hands. It's possible though....I sometimes show my individual table stats via GT+ and have had sessions where I notice that on just one of my full-tables I'm something like 5/3 after 90 hands...whereas at another table I'm 30/23. Just depends on the cards you're getting and also how the table is playing (lots of steal opportunities perhaps). But it's my guess that your game just isn't cutting it. However...obviously your sample is insanely small too. I suspect that if you posted some of the hands where you were limped-in though that some could find situations where you should have been raising. But post those in the micro forum and keep working on your game.
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#44
11-27-2005, 06:25 PM
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Re: How do you guys go on such insane downswings?
I play 6 max limit, which is very swingy. Here is an excerpt from what must be some of the craziest 12k hands ever. Note the 200BB upswing in less than 1500 hands, which was all lost back in the next 1000, finally bottoming out at a 350 BB downswing. And that ultra steep line at 11k? Try 290BB in 170 hands.
Anyone who doesn't experience these type of swings must be playing an uber-rockish game, or playing so successfully that he'd be better off moving up a level (or two). 
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#45
11-27-2005, 06:40 PM
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Re: How do you guys go on such insane downswings?
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[ QUOTE ] You don't understand math. [/ QUOTE ] I have a master's degree in it actually, lol. [/ QUOTE ] I thought you were a lawyer?
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#46
11-27-2005, 06:43 PM
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Re: How do you guys go on such insane downswings?
For me personally, on of the biggest leaks in my game right now is losing too many bets with good second-best hands. Since having a lot of those situations in a short period of time is almost always part of a downswing, it tends to exacerbate my downswings while not really affecting me much when the cards are running normally.
I suspect this is also true of a lot of other 2+2ers.
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#47
11-27-2005, 07:29 PM
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Re: Here\'s how.
My stats over 40K of 1/2 are 18.11/7.72/2.65.
I raise first-in, or often with just one limper, from the last three positions with any otherwise limping hand. My PFR was higher, but since I got PokerAce I've been trying to play better tables, which has actually resulted in fewer opportunities to raise preflop since so many fish limp with any ace, any face card, any two suited cards, or any two cards that can make a a straight. Here's the entire list of my starting hands from the last three positions. I only limped one hand first-in that I probably should have raised. It wouldn't have mattered anyway, because the SB would have taken a bullet rather than folded. AJs raised AJo raised twice ATo folded to early raise A9o folded A8o folded twice A7o folded twice A6s limped A4s folded to middle raise A4s limped A4o folded A3o folded A2s limped A2o folded KQo raised K7o folded twice K6s folded K4o folded QJo limped Q8s limped Q8o folded twice Q7o folded Q6o folded twice Q4o folded Q3s folded JJ 3-bet JTs limped J8o folded J7s folded J5o folded J4o folded TT 3-bet T9o limped T8s folded T7o folded T6o folded T5o folded T4o folded T2o folded 96o folded 95o folded 94s folded 94o folded 93o folded 92o folded 86s folded 86o folded 84o folded 83s folded 83o folded 82s folded 82o folded 75s folded 74o folded 73o folded twice 66 limped twice 65s limped 64o folded twice 63o folded twice 62s folded twice 62o folded 53o folded 52o folded 43o folded 42o folded 32o folded
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#49
11-27-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Here\'s how.
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The first step in correcting this would probably be to get your raise button fixed. -ActionBob [/ QUOTE ] So you're suggesting that I try to bluff fish? If I raise, they call. That's what they do. Explain to me one more time how raising a calling station will magically give me the winning hand at showdown instead of him. Raising TAGs works well, or not, but at least I know where I stand. But the mantra here is that you want to play loose games full of fish, not TAGs. Go back and look at my post at the entire list of my winning hands from the session. Raising here folded out everyone nearly every time--in these hands the fish had no ace, no pair, and no draw, so they folded. If they had an ace, a pair, or a draw, they would have never folded. See the losing hand list for those results. Raising did not win me those pots. It just transferred more of my chips to the calling stations when they sucked out on the river.
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