AK misses the flop early in a $30 multi on Party

dwd · #1 09-25-2005, 08:55 PM

Very early in a 30 multi, 3rd hand or something. I miss the flop but it's not very threatening and has 2 flush cards. He checks, I make a continuation bet and he minraises me. What's my play here? Is it too early to be wasting any time with AK, should I throw it away, call and see the next card, raise to see what he does?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t765)
MP1 (t940)
Hero (t1085)
MP3 (t945)
CO (t915)
Button (t805)
SB (t1055)
BB (t1585)
UTG (t920)
UTG+1 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, Hero raises to t60, 5 folds, MP1 calls t45.

Flop: (t142.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t65, MP1 raises to t130.

kuro · #2 09-25-2005, 09:29 PM

Your continuation bet is too small. You need to make 3/4 to maybe a little more than a full pot bet here because of the size of the stacks and the 2 flush on the board. After that if villain comes over the top you're done with the hand. When you make a smallish bet here a lot of people will believe that's weakness and put you to the test.

gobboboy · #3 09-25-2005, 11:52 PM

The minraise means 1 of 3 things:

He has a set.
He has a flush draw.
He's bluffing you out.

What it actually is depends on his playing style. Do you have any big reads on him? If he's fishy, he likely has a set or a flush draw. If he's aggressive, he's likely bluffing.

#4 09-26-2005, 12:19 AM

It's too early in the tourney and I'm quite sure you do not have any reads. Looks like a flopped set. Muck.

BTW, I can't recall who said or wrote it: You can fell in love with big slick but you don't have to get married to it.

Dave D · #5 09-26-2005, 12:37 AM

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Very early in a 30 multi, 3rd hand or something. I miss the flop but it's not very threatening and has 2 flush cards. He checks, I make a continuation bet and he minraises me. What's my play here? Is it too early to be wasting any time with AK, should I throw it away, call and see the next card, raise to see what he does?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t765)
MP1 (t940)
Hero (t1085)
MP3 (t945)
CO (t915)
Button (t805)
SB (t1055)
BB (t1585)
UTG (t920)
UTG+1 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, Hero raises to t60, 5 folds, MP1 calls t45.

Flop: (t142.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t65, MP1 raises to t130.

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Your flop bet is too weak. Party 30+3s you gotta 2/3 pot it, or check/raise the flop.

I call here and re-evaluate on the turn, possibly call a turn/river bet if it's weak. Can't be folding to a min bet like that, it's weak tight, and it's really not that much.

I also like leading the turn and folding to a significant reaise, improved or not. Often you'll get a fold.

dwd · #6 09-26-2005, 01:18 AM

I ended up reraising flop and he called, then he checked turn, I pushed. He turns over flush draw. Is this going too far with AK early in a tourney, or at any time, as other posts on the subject have suggested?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+2 (t765)
MP1 (t940)
Hero (t1085)
MP3 (t945)
CO (t915)
Button (t805)
SB (t1055)
BB (t1585)
UTG (t920)
UTG+1 (t985)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, Hero raises to t60, 5 folds, MP1 calls t45.

Flop: (t142.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t65, MP1 raises to t130, Hero raises to t300, MP1 calls t170.

Turn: (t742.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero calls [t725] , MP1 calls [t580] .

River: (t742.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t742.50