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Old 08-16-2005, 02:40 PM
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:47 PM
Sniper Sniper is offline
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Default Re: Need beta testers for new Poker Software

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Peer-to-Peer hand sharing
You can share your downloaded hands with friends to build up each other's database

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You should be aware that Party Poker is specifically targeting users of programs with this feature for banning.
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Old 08-17-2005, 10:34 AM
RedManPlus RedManPlus is offline
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Default Why Compete With Poker Tracker?

Instead of trying to go head-to-head with PT...
(A business plan that's probably doomed from the start)...

Why don't you focus on SNGs... which PT does poorly?

And why don't you just piggy-back on Poker Tracker...
Make you databases indistiguishable from PT...
Maybe write a module that completely redoes PT's SNG area.

That gives you a lot of cover...
Cuz to ban you... Party will have to ban PT.

Fine semantic parsing of whether this is OK and that is not...
Will not save you...
Because Party is an autocratic oligarchy...
That doesn't care who it crushes on the way to the bottom line.

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Old 08-17-2005, 11:04 AM
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Old 08-17-2005, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Why Compete With Poker Tracker?

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Instead of trying to go head-to-head with PT...
(A business plan that's probably doomed from the start)...

Why don't you focus on SNGs... which PT does poorly?

And why don't you just piggy-back on Poker Tracker...
Make you databases indistiguishable from PT...
Maybe write a module that completely redoes PT's SNG area.

That gives you a lot of cover...
Cuz to ban you... Party will have to ban PT.

Fine semantic parsing of whether this is OK and that is not...
Will not save you...
Because Party is an autocratic oligarchy...
That doesn't care who it crushes on the way to the bottom line.

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Personally, I don't think going head to head with PT is a bad idea....Yes it will be difficult, but who knows, in 5 years, Poker Manager could be the standard. The best way to accomplish this is to make your applications exceptionally fast. That is the one downfall of PT -- its just not fast or efficient. One thing you will also have difficulty with is matching Pat's customer support. He is exceptional.
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Old 08-17-2005, 11:06 AM
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Old 08-17-2005, 11:14 AM
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Why Compete With Poker Tracker?

I have to agree with Sniper, you should drop the Peer-to-Peer file sharing, at least for Party. Your product looks professional and I'm sure you've put a lot of work into it, the last thing you want is for it to get screwed over because of Party. I really don't think there is any difference between PE and peer-to-peer sharing. Sharing files is sharing files. I don't personally have a problem with it, but be ready for backlash, not just from Party, but the "purists" who will flame your product.

As for taking on PokerTracker, I'm not sure that it is doomed. People do have a lot of time invested in PT and are accustomed to the interface, but the PT interface really isn't intuitive or that easy to use.

Your product has good performance and the main interface is pretty intuitive.

You have two big problems right now.
1) Support from other rooms. You know this and are working on it I'm sure.

2) The HUD. You're using a separate window instead of drawing on the Poker window like PV and PA do. GameTime+ uses separate windows but I think they make a parent relationship where you are using an owner relationship. This works well except for the jerking when you move the screen. PokerScores actually does the same thing, except they hide the window when you drag the table so you don't see the overlay jerking around.

I wouldn't really focus on the HUD much. I would work with someone like PokerAce and just add support for your product to it. This will ultimately help you get customers from PT who want to keep their HUD settings. Writing a good HUD will take a lot more effort. I think you should focus on getting other poker rooms up and running.

Firebird is a heavy duty db, so performance shouldn't be a problem. I tested version 1.0 and it was still buggy, but 1.5, which you are using, is supposed to be much better (so i've read).

One thing that is annoying is the popping up of the Hand History window. You can just read the file from the PartyPoker directory to acheive the same result.

Overall, you've got a decent product with a lot of potential. Good luck.

Jack
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Why Compete With Poker Tracker?

I don't think competing with PokerTracker is a bad thing either. Competition is always good, no matter what.

When I first announced I was going to make an application to rival PlayerView, do you know how many people doubted me? I got people saying that I would never be able to create something they would rather use than PlayerView. How many people do you think are still saying this?

I haven't had time to test your application, but I've heard it's good. I will probably take a look at it later. If I like what I see, and it gains some popularity, I may add support for it in PokerAce Hud.
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