30 Omaha/8 Starting Hands

[SheridanCat]

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11 is a definite raise.

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It certainly was a very nice looking hand. With so many players in, I just couldn't bring myself to raise anything.

Regards,

T

[Cooker]

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I see some strange things here. Of the hands you fold preflop, I would almost always play 7, and seriously consider playing 9, 18, and 20. This of course depends on position and tendancies at the table, but all those hands seem easy post flop from my point of view. I may even dabble around with 23 from the button.

Of the hands you elected to call I would consider 5, 6, 21, 28, and 30 to all be pure garbage and much worse than the hands I listed which you fold. 27 is also a very questionable call preflop, but may be playable from late position.


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Thanks for the comments, Cooker. Most of the hands you mention are ones I think I acted incorrectly on.

I see your point on 7, but I feel like I'm just playing for low there. However, I guess your point might be that you have good counterfeit protection and if the wheel comes through there's going to be a good shot that I can make high with the 7. Is that a correct analysis?

Can you tell me a bit about what your thoughts are on 9? I didn't have that down as one I thought was questionable.

Thanks,

T

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The point of a hand like 7 is that you can make a nut low and a straight. That is why I like 7 much more than a hand like 5. Don't get me wrong, 7 isn't great, but I think it is ususally quite playable. If the 7 were a six it would be nicer, because you have much better chance to make a nut low and a 6 high straight and quarter another player that just has a wheel, but it might come through with the 7 too.

Maybe I am being a little too loose, but I will play a hand like 9 from late position. It has chances to win both ways and it is really easy to get away from when you miss the flop. Nothing great though. From early position, it is probably a fold.

[bholdr]

I'll bite:

1: fold

2: raise- duh. monster.

3: fold
4: fold
5: fold
6: fold
7: fold
8: fold
9: fold
10: fold

11: raise- A234 w/ two suits is a MONSTER O/8 hand- raise either to isolate or to build a big pot, this hand really wnats to be in a multiway pot, but will do well either way. i suppose i'd prefer a big ol faimly pot with it.

12: call- this one may be a raiser, too, depending on your position and the action to that point. i do not like to call in omaha/8 unless A: i have a really weak A-2, and B: the pot is multiway.

13: fold
14: fold
15: fold
16: fold
17: call- one of thoes weak A-2...

18: fold
19: fold
20: fold
21: fold
22: fold
23: fold
24: fold
25: raise- i raise any AA with a weak low- you want to run the aces HU against a weaker high hand and use the low potential as an escape hatch.

fold the rest. all IMO. now i'll read what others said...

[SheridanCat]

Man, you are so tight you squeak. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'll respond further later on.

Thanks,

T

[bholdr]

There are other hands in there that i may consider calling with, but the calls would be very dependant on the action and my position. the responses i posted were made under the assumption that i was in early or middle position and the action had not been opened yet. On the button in a passive game, i probably call with #s 7, 9, 14, and 23.

also, in my original response, i ommitted # 18- KK63 with two suuits. in a loose game i almost always call with a pair of kings, since it's a huge money winner when it makes a set

[Cooker]

You think that is tight, I had a guy show down AA23ds from the button in an unraised pot and just called down with his nut low/pair of aces on a 258TK board. Needless to say, he quartered me (I though my 8s might be good for high and bet the whole way).

[TaoTe]

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You think that is tight, I had a guy show down AA23ds from the button in an unraised pot and just called down with his nut low/pair of aces on a 258TK board. Needless to say, he quartered me (I though my 8s might be good for high and bet the whole way).

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On the opposite side of that, I saw someone show down their aces which took the high end of a five way pot with a straight and a flush on board.

[TaoTe]

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11 is a definite raise.

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It certainly was a very nice looking hand. With so many players in, I just couldn't bring myself to raise anything.

Regards,

T

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Generally, I don't raise before the floop in limit because I can't find any good information on when and why to do it. Everyone has an opinion on it but there often times conflicted. Perhaps after having more experience I'll see the advantage of the PF raise.

[Cooker]

I feel that raising preflop in Omaha/8 is a strange subject. I do it a pretty fair amount in PL, but hardly ever in limit. I will raise AAxx with xx being only decent low cards (like 36 not something like 24 that is an obvious raise) and a lot of A2xx with the ace suited. I throw in occasinoal raises with other nice hands too. I rarely raise from early position in either game. Nothing like raising UTG with KKQJ to thin the field and getting called all the way around the table and hitting a perfect 345 rainbow flop.

I am also convinced that there is no better game to be playing on party poker right now than PLO8. This game seems to be so poorly understood by the players it is practically like printing money. I may just be running very well, but I hardly sit at a table at the low buy in games where I don't at least double up the buy in in around an hour. I see people constantly chasing runner runner lows and all sorts of crazy thin draws for half the pot.

[SheridanCat]

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I am also convinced that there is no better game to be playing on party poker right now than PLO8. This game seems to be so poorly understood by the players it is practically like printing money.

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I don't doubt it. I remember not long ago you really didn't find this game anywhere. I was playing in a home game that was primarily limit O/8 and limit HE, but under some circumstances a dealer could call a "crazy" game and that game would be played for one orbit.

On a couple occasions a particular player would call PLO8. He played PL Omaha high occasionally, so why he would call O/8 is beyond me. He called it one night and one hand ended up three handed. I folded out early and could see the cards of one of the newest players (primarily a HE player). He caught bottom set on the flop and couldn't get away from it. He lost about $300 on that hand. In my head I'm telling him to fold, but he couldn't hear me and got beat by a better set as I recall. It was brutal and pretty my much brought an end to "crazy" games there.

Regards,

T