What's the correct decision (tournament strategy on the bubble)?

JoshNjuice · #1 10-12-2005, 11:48 PM

Can someone explain to me what to do and why to do it here? Note I'm in the BB for 800 and the ante is 50, so I have T827 left when the action gets to me.

This is a 1-table Turbo tourney and the top 3 spots pay. We've been moving chips around the table for a while and my goal is to make the money.

Thanks in advance

JoshNjuice

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (4 handed) converter

SB (t460)
Hero (t1677)
UTG (t4762)
Button (t6601)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t1600, 1 fold, SB calls t10 (All-In), , Hero ???

EricW · #2 10-12-2005, 11:54 PM

Calling anything here with the exception of AA and maybe KK would be terrible.

BDarch · #3 10-12-2005, 11:55 PM

easy fold

ravensfan · #4 10-13-2005, 12:01 AM

Fold
If Sb hits, you've still got a decent shot of taking him out but if you lose this hand you don't win much... if anything.
Therefore, fold, pray SB busts out and be glad you didn't enter a hand you could've very likely been dominated by one of the villians in.

JoshNjuice · #5 10-13-2005, 12:01 AM

Ok, I feel better about my decision now. The more I think through it, the more reasons I have to fold. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't call here with AA or KK, but I haven't thought about it too much yet. My primary objective is to outlast the shortstack and I give myself the best chance to do that by folding.

Namely, if I fold here, I have 100% chance of seeing the next hand. If I call, even with AA, I'm probably only about 80% to see the next hand. Seeing the next hand means I'll have at least one more chance to out last the short stack if he wins this hand.

I ended up folding, the short stack busted and I eeked into the money.

Thanks for your feedback

JoshNjuice

psparkyuk · #6 10-13-2005, 11:36 AM

No, that's definitly not right.

I think it was a call with QT. The only time you gain by folding is when SB would win the hand and UTG come second and then you go on to outlast the SB despite him having more chips and you putting over half your stack next hand as the small blind.

If you push:

If SB wins the hand and you come second you will still have about twice as many chips as the SB.

If UTG wins the hand you are third anyway.

And if you win the hand you clinch third and move into second place.

I think your chances coming third by winning the hand or coming second to the SB and getting third eventually are much better than the chance of third by folding this hand.

Psparky

pooh74 · #7 10-13-2005, 11:43 AM

I would call.

To the poster saying fold AA-KK...you better check that out.

We've been over this scenario a lot. Folding here is a disaster. Prove me wrong and you get a cookie.

Nicholasp27 · #8 10-13-2005, 11:45 AM

your objective should NOT be to just get in the money in this specific tournament...it should be to maximize the $$ that you win in the longrun (unless u are playing on too small of a br or something)

so if u have aa/kk, u have to push it here...sure u may bust out of the tourney some of the times...but in the long run it makes more money to push with aa/kk here

Nicholasp27 · #9 10-13-2005, 11:47 AM

what if sb wins the hand and utg has a better hand than you?

then u get 4th

psparkyuk · #10 10-13-2005, 11:51 AM

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what if sb wins the hand and utg has a better hand than you?

then u get 4th

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Yes - as I said, thats the only case when folding would gain. But you would still need to outlast the SB from a very poor position.

Psparky