I got laughed at today....

[mackthefork]

I am full of admiration for you not telling SB what a dumb [censored] he is for not making it 3 preflop with AK, you shouldn't be self conscious about any of this, I don't like the river 3 bet, but i'm weak and the river is my worst street.

Oh its the turn, I like it now, bet the river too.

Regards Mack

[johnc]

You played the hand well, but bet the river. It's hard not to let know-it-alls affect your play. When I'm sitting at a table the last thing I want to hear is some idiot trying to critque everyones play - situations like this make dropping the F-bomb very tempting (I bite my tongue, however, always).
And yes, I have a problem with tilt in situations like this but I'm learning to deal with it the best I can.

[TaoTe]

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I just sat down at a live $4/8 game while waiting for a tournament to start. I haven't played limit in a quite a while because I've been enjoying no limit, but this casino has a limited spread of games and this was the only open seat. Anyways, on to what happended.

I have not played with any of these players before.

It is my second hand and I am MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG calls, UTG+1 -> MP2 fold, I raise, CO folds, button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Pot: 3.5 BB (-.5 for rake)

It is checked to me, I bet, everyone calls

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Pot: 5.5 BB

It is checked to me, I bet, SB raises, BB folds, UTG folds, I 3-bet, SB calls

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Pot: 11.5 BB

SB checks, I check

I flip over my KQ and SB shows AK for TPTK.
He starts laughing and shaking his head in an arrogant way. He says, "you had that..." and then "nice hand, nice hand."

UTG laughs and says, "nice kicker".

I didn't reply because there was no reason too, but it left me feeling self conscious. It didn't affect my play, but was still strange. I had seen SB before and always gotten the "he's a jerk inside" feeling from him. Too bad it proved true...

btw - I probably should not have 3-bet the turn given that SB was an unknown.

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If getting laughed at at a poker table is the worst thing that happens to you feel blessed. It could be worse. You could be broke. Besides, your play was fine. KQs is a fine hand to open with in MP/LP, especially after several limpers. Feel good about them laughing at you. Passive play is rarely rewarded in poker and calling with AK is definately passive play.

[SpeakEasy]

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I didn't reply because there was no reason too, but it left me feeling self conscious. It didn't affect my play, but was still strange.

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If you feel self conscious after their remarks, then they achieved their goal of getting into your head. Its good that you did not respond, and you should also not let their comments bother you.

You, as every other player at the table, are free to play your cards any way you want. You don't owe anyone an explanation, and what they think of your play should be of no concern to you. Just use the information you gain against them on future hands, and move on to the next hand.

[bernie]

F8ck them.

Don't give anything those idiots say any merit. Consider the sources it's coming from. As long as you know why you did the actions you did, that's all that matters. You can analyze it more in depth later on, don't worry what they say. They don't know their ass from their elbows. Which makes it interesting for when they go to the can.

Hell, I get guys rolling their eyes at me all the time. They are actually telling you what they know about the game. Exploit it and shove it down their throats. Weak tightie pieces of crap. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

The stronger, more confident in your game you become, the more humorous and entertaining these exchanges will become.

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[PairTheBoard]

jmgurgeh --
"My guess is your opponent got scared and when he won he wanted to "get you back" for scaring him. "

I agree. I think this is what's going on. Your Turn 3 bet was a tough aggresive move with a good hand and a good draw. Your opponent was put to the test with that move and he didn't like it. He wants to discourage that kind of play against him so that HE can control the action. Therefore he does what comes natural to poker players. He says the exact opposite of the truth. He lies with a laugh.

PairTheBoard

[KenProspero]

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btw - I probably should not have 3-bet the turn given that SB was an unknown.

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SBs check/raise on the turn was a red flag your hand may not be as good as you thought it was. My guess is that I'd just check it down from that point on. However, depending on how I felt about the raiser, I might have three-bet it.

The only real question I'd have is whether you saw the red flag. If you didn't, you need to pay attention more.

As it turned out, it cost you nothing, since SB certainly would have bet on the river if you hadn't raised the turn.

Overall, three-betting the turn isn't horrible and certainly isn't as bad as SB's checking AK pre-flop.

[A_C_Slater]

The turn "free showdown" raise doesn't apply here. That play should be reserved for when you have a hand that you can fold to a reraise on the turn (like middle pair/strong kicker and you think he might be betting a draw.) Even if he had donk bet the turn instead of check-raising, you should still just call. Because the donk bet either means he has a monster or he's betting something very marginal or a total bluff. In which case you will lose a BB on his river bluff if you raise him out on the turn. And you will save 2 BBs from a possible turn reraise when behind. But this situation is even better because even if he does have a set or something you can still get an extra BB from a river raise (if flush hits) which he will almost certainly bet due to your passive turn play.

Of course, this assumes he seems to be rockish. You wouldn't take that line against a LAG.

[hizo1]

I think you can thank him for saving you money by not capping the turn and betting the river. You played this hand just fine.

[Alex/Mugaaz]

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I don't like betting the river here unless you have some kind of read, or you improve. A lot of players would check raise the turn w/ 2 pair, but check-call the river to a turn 3 bet.
I'm not saying that betting the river is horrible. I'm just saying that its probably not for value. Yeah, a worse hand will call you, but will a worse hand check-raise the turn?

Lets say for some reason you are 100 percent sure that you aren't looking at AK. If you are up against a king with a weaker kicker, then its KT or KJ. There are more sets and two pair combos out there than KJ combos.

Also, you almost never run into players who check-raise bluff. If you were in first position, I like bet-folding. Having position here dictates that you check behind.

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I play against weak players almost exclusively, so my thinking revolves around what a bad player would do in that situation. He didn't bet or raise the flop, almost all bad players will bet the flop with top pair unless their kicker sucks, in which case they will just call it down. When he check raises you on the turn I would be fairly scared of KT 2pair, but he's a donk and I wouldn't give him credit for it yet, the turn 3bet is questionable, but when SB doesn't cap he obviously doesn't have 2pair or a set. He then checks to you on the river, even nit's bet here if they hit trips/boat up. This is an easy bet, the only 1 pair hand that beats you is AK, and since he didn't bet preflop/flop the chances of him being that passive and having it are extremely small.