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Old 07-19-2005, 04:43 PM
augie00 augie00 is offline
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Default AA in trouble on 4th street

$114 turbo sng on stars
1st level so no reads, everyone has around 1500

blinds 10/20

I pick up black aces in MP1 and raise to 60. LP calls and BB calls.

Flop is Kc 7c 7s

BB checks, I bet out 100, LP calls, BB calls

Turn is 2h for (Kc 7c 7s 2h)

BB checks, I bet out 200, LP calls, BB thinks and raises to 500. I fold without much hesitation.
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

Raise more preflop. With your small preflop raise it's too likely the BB has a 7.
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Old 07-19-2005, 04:58 PM
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Raise more preflop. With your small preflop raise it's too likely the BB has a 7.

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Old 07-19-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

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Raise more preflop. With your small preflop raise it's too likely the BB has a 7.

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meh

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I know that I'm calling with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB with that action to me.
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

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Raise more preflop. With your small preflop raise it's too likely the BB has a 7.

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meh

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I know that I'm calling with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB with that action to me.

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Prolly, but I still have AA and shouldn't be afraid of a little action. I would probably make it 70 here, but if he called 40 he probably calls 50 too.

I don't see much point in raising any more than that.
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

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Prolly, but I still have AA and shouldn't be afraid of a little action. I would probably make it 70 here, but if he called 40 he probably calls 50 too.

I don't see much point in raising any more than that.

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This is on Stars, the stacks are much deeper than Party in level 1.
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:09 PM
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Prolly, but I still have AA and shouldn't be afraid of a little action. I would probably make it 70 here, but if he called 40 he probably calls 50 too.

I don't see much point in raising any more than that.

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This is on Stars, the stacks are much deeper than Party in level 1.

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Which means I don't feel as bad about folding if the flop action is ugly.
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Old 07-19-2005, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

Why not call and re-evaluate the river? I think your hand is just too strong to give villain credit for entering a raised pot with a 7 and lucking out to hit the flop that hard.

When you have aces, you're very seldom going to have the nuts on the flop or turn and if you fold them on this board especially with deep stacks where villains are more likely to make a move on you then you're going to spew a lot of chips. Just because a guy represents trips doesn't mean he has trips and certainly villain realizes that it's very unlikely that you have trips.
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Old 07-19-2005, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

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Why not call and re-evaluate the river?

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Because without one of the two river aces my hand is only going to get worse.

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When you have aces, you're very seldom going to have the nuts on the flop or turn

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What does that have to do with anything?

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if you fold them on this board especially with deep stacks where villains are more likely to make a move on you then you're going to spew a lot of chips

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Would you really call a tiny raise into two opponents, one who's shown considerable strength on three (3) rounds of betting already, "making a move?" That is surely just a joke and I missed the punchline.

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Just because a guy represents trips doesn't mean he has trips and certainly villain realizes that it's very unlikely that you have trips.

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Both of those statements are true. But given the size of villian's raise and the action so far in the hand that the chance that he has a 7 is better than the chance that he doesn't? Furthermore, what kind of hand would villian check-call the flop with and then make a tiny raise on the turn with?
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Old 07-19-2005, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: AA in trouble on 4th street

I put him on pocket deuces. Getting the 2 pair on the flop, and completing his boat on the turn.

Or at least one 7. ;-)
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