bet a busted draw on the river ?

Bubu · #1 05-06-2005, 02:40 AM

Long time lurker. I'm coming back to Party after a rather long hiatus (BTW anyone know how to fix the missing buttons bug ? ).I'll try to post some hands.

No real reads on the table - weak tight by party standards.
I'd like comments on the turn check/river bet combo.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

River: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qh Kh (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.50 BB.

PoBoy321 · #2 05-06-2005, 02:44 AM

I really don't like it against 4 opponents who would all be getting 13.5:1 on their call. I really can't imagine any hands that they could collectively have here that they would lay down.

steveyz · #3 05-06-2005, 02:45 AM

standard, although it looks like you had the best hand anyways. But you gotta bet since 44/66/pair+gut-shot might fold.

steveyz · #4 05-06-2005, 02:47 AM

66/44, as well as 54s, etc might fold, and they wouldn't have to fold often to make this bet correct.

PoBoy321 · #5 05-06-2005, 03:22 AM

I completely agree with you if this were heads up, but against 3 opponents, do you really think that none of them have an A, a 7, anything worth calling with often enough to make this bet correct?

psyduck · #6 05-06-2005, 05:24 AM

extremely hard vs 3 opponents. I don't think that you're getting ALL of them to fold as often as it is profitable for the 1 bet you put in.

does no one bet the turn? I think that it might be profitable since you sufficient equity against 3 opponents, both from the flush draw and the overcards.

NLSoldier · #7 05-06-2005, 06:24 AM

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does no one bet the turn? I think that it might be profitable since you sufficient equity against 3 opponents, both from the flush draw and the overcards.

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Maybe if the top card on the board didnt pair.