Strange 44 hand from party 30-60

[skp]

CO and HJ post blinds.

I limp UTG with 44. Next guy raises. CO and HJ call. All else fold. 4 way action

Flop: 872 rainbow

PFR bets and we all call.

Turn: Offsuit 4

I check. PFR checks. HJ bets. CO folds. I call. PFR calls.

River: Ace

I check with the intention of:

(a) checkraising if PFR bets and HJ calls or folds
(b) Coldcalling if PFR bets and HJ raises
(c) Checkraising if PFR checks and HJ bets

[mike l.]

hmm that didnt make much sense. ill bite.

bet the turn so you can 3 bet and more importantly at least have people drawing dead or thin put a bb in. too much chance of it getting checked through on that board.

if it is decided somehow your turn play is right than go ahead and bet the river dark and hope that induces a raise when something an A, K, or whatever falls.

[mmcd]

You might be able to get a lead/3-bet in against PFR here depending on how aggro he is. OTOH, you miss out on inducing bluffs from hands like KQ and the like.
I usually lead in this spot, but if I checked, I'd be inclined to 3-bet a PFR bet/HJ raise since in that scenerio, I think there's a decent chance PFR is on air (if the A hit the HJ) so you might not be getting the overcall anyways.

[Josh W]

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(a) checkraising if PFR bets and HJ calls or folds
(b) Coldcalling if PFR bets and HJ raises
(c) Checkraising if PFR checks and HJ bets

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Don't (b) and (c) kinda contradict each other? I assume you check/call the river in (b) because you fear a bigger set or 65. Do you not fear these suddenly in the case of (c)?

Moreover, in each case, you seem destined to put in 2 bets (maybe 3 in the case of (c) which I don't understand as mentioned above).

You have a hand worth two bets on the river, you seem to have determined. And yet you are willing to let it get checked through.

That can't be best.

Bet. Good things happen.

Josh

[Ulysses]

Bet the turn. Bet the river.

[zokbarjazz]

this hand is strange because you didn't bet.

[Klepton]

old and busted - check-raising
new hotness - bet / 3-betting

[Mikey]

I think it would work better if you were to lead bet on the river here and I'll explain why.

If you are up against UTG and he has AK or AQ or AJ he'll probably raise your bet where you can reraise and maybe collect 3 BB from him. the guy in position may cold call with two pair or reraise with two pair making what you more than 3 BB.

If you are up against UTG and he has KQ or KJ or KT, and you lead bet, he'll fold but at the same time this lead will probably confuse the guy in position to call or even raise if he has two pair.

If you check and UTG has KQ or KJ or KT and he checks as well, it may get the guy in position to checkdown as well fearing an Ace from at least UTG to show down a busted draw or a pair crappy kicker.

You are trying to make a fancy play here and it is understandable, but in order for it to work you would have to definitley be banking on the PFR to have an Ace in his hand.

Lead bet the river and hope to get a reraise in somewhere.

[DcifrThs]

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hmm that didnt make much sense. ill bite.

bet the turn so you can 3 bet and more importantly at least have people drawing dead or thin put a bb in. too much chance of it getting checked through on that board.

if it is decided somehow your turn play is right than go ahead and bet the river dark and hope that induces a raise when something an A, K, or whatever falls.

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i go 1 street back and bet the flop. but i also agree w/ betting the turn.

i need to learn how to bet the river dark online.

-Barron

[hockey1]

Bet all streets. Not betting the flop is a MAJOR mistake.