can I call this river?

pokernose · #1 12-08-2005, 10:55 AM

Over about 20 hands this player was about 85/55. He was going all in frequently and pushing people around, but a couple of times that he showed down he had the goods. I don't see how he can't be full here, but he was so loose aggressive that I just don't know.

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP3 checks, BB checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
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River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Villian calls 203.57 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot:

djoyce003 · #2 12-08-2005, 11:00 AM

what happened on the turn....this hand shouldn't have gotten to the river.

Isura · #3 12-08-2005, 11:03 AM

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henrikrh · #4 12-08-2005, 12:50 PM

If he likes to get it all in the middle like you say I would try to get it all in with your beautiful draw, but I do tend to overplay OESFDs. They're just so purdy.

beavens · #5 12-08-2005, 01:19 PM

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what happened on the turn....this hand shouldn't have gotten to the river.

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pokernose · #6 12-09-2005, 09:57 AM

Apparently I used an older version. I didn't notice it left the turn out. Here is the update.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($49)
BB ($48.50)
UTG ($118.05)
UTG+1 ($46.75)
MP1 ($94.39)
MP2 ($21.25)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($49)
Button :#A500AF(Villian)/ ($203.57)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25. MP3 posts a blind of $0.75.
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, Button :#A500AF(Villian)/ calls $0.50, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 folds, Villian calls $1.

Turn: ($4.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $2, Villian raises to $5, Hero raises to $8, Villian calls $3.

River: ($20.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Villian calls $194.07 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $214.82

On the turn I min-raised expecting that he would come back over the top and give me a chance to get all in with my straight.

djoyce003 · #7 12-09-2005, 10:02 AM

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On the turn I min-raised expecting that he would come back over the top and give me a chance to get all in with my straight.

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dude...that is so freaking bad on so many levels. You hit your hand, you lead, he raises you and you MINRAISE??!?!?! hoping to get reraised yet again? Dude seriously, after he raises you HAVE TO PUSH. You can't play NL by letting your opponents bet for you, you've gotta bet your hands when you make them, don't worry, they suck and they'll call. No you can't call the river, and the real analysis and value here on this hand is realizing how badly you misplayed the turn. Sorry to be blunt but I tend to be honest and don't sugarcoat stuff. Sorry man but as badly as you played that turn, you deserved to lose this one.

rachelwxm · #8 12-09-2005, 10:25 AM

Open fold the river. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
U should be glad u did not have the 8.

pokernose · #9 12-09-2005, 10:35 AM

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dude...that is so freaking bad on so many levels. You hit your hand, you lead, he raises you and you MINRAISE??!?!?! hoping to get reraised yet again? Dude seriously, after he raises you HAVE TO PUSH. You can't play NL by letting your opponents bet for you, you've gotta bet your hands when you make them, don't worry, they suck and they'll call. No you can't call the river, and the real analysis and value here on this hand is realizing how badly you misplayed the turn. Sorry to be blunt but I tend to be honest and don't sugarcoat stuff. Sorry man but as badly as you played that turn, you deserved to lose this one.

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I'm OK with blunt. Thanks for the advice.

djoyce003 · #10 12-09-2005, 10:46 AM

the key thing is that you only get monster hands every so often, and you've got to win as much as is possible with them. You have to squeeze every ounce of profit that you can out of these few big hands in order to be a winning poker player. When you get a monster hand and get a villan that really likes his hand, you've got to do your best to get value....minraising doesn't do that. When he reraises, you know he really likes his hand and that you can probably get him to call a much larger raise than a minraise. It worked out ok here because if the money had gone in you would have lost, but in the long-run not taking advantage of these situations is a losing play.