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11-17-2005, 09:43 AM
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Black should have won
I can't find much at falt with Hachem's play in the WSOP, but I really think that out of the final table Andy Black played the best poker. He made one or two mistakes, but that is inevitable after playing for seven days straight. He showed some real genius to get where he did. His re raise on Phil Ivey with A2 was the best pre flop play I have EVER seen in poker, let alone the first hand of the last 27 of the world series. I've seen this play criticised on here, and I really can't believe that. The simple fact of the matter is that Dannenman hit a 5 outer against him with two cards to come, after Black had made an unbelievable call with merely top pair weak kicker on a straight board. If he'd won this pot he would have had a resounding chip lead with four players left. His reads of the other players were absolutely phenomenal, and there is no doubt in my mind that the best player at this year's world series came fifth.
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#2
11-17-2005, 09:48 AM
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Re: Black should have won
In my opinion he made the mistake at least two times of exposing his hands non-verbally. He would start smiling upstoppably, and every time he had a monster, and every time his opponent folded wisely.
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#3
11-17-2005, 11:26 AM
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Re: Black should have won
Hachem deserves this win. He was struggling with being one of the short stacks for most of the final table. He didn't get to cruise to the end with the chip lead like Moneymaker and Raymer did. He obviously was card dead for a majority of the final table but he showed tremendous patience for all 13.5 hours, especially after a long week.
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#4
11-17-2005, 12:55 PM
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A2 hand
Ivey had Kh5h. Black had Ad2d. Ivey made it 50k, Black re raised to 120k. Ivey re re raised to 600k. Black then went all in. IMO Ivey looked very weak when he made it 600k, he was as still as a rock and his hand was up covering his mouth. His eyes also took on a really worried look when Black went for more chips.
As regards showing the hand, it is a no brainer. Of course you show somebody like Ivey a bluff like this, it means they will not mess around with you from then on in. That play in my opinion was the reason Ivey didn't win this years world series, he was visibly rattled by it and didn't regain his composure, eventually going out with JJ vKK.
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#5
11-17-2005, 06:02 PM
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Re: Black should have won
Winning #7+ million with 7-3 is awesome. What a game...
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#6
11-17-2005, 09:56 AM
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Re: Black should have won
Andy? Is that you?
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#7
11-17-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: Black should have won
Hey, Could someone describe to me what happened with that A2 hand? I missed that episode.
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#8
11-17-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: Black should have won
My recollection:
Ivey open raises to 30-40k with ~KJo, Black makes it 100k with A2o, Ivey pumps it up to 500k, Black goes all in. Ivey folds. Black mucks A2o face up. I don't remember the blinds, position or stacks.
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#9
11-17-2005, 12:33 PM
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Re: Black should have won
[ QUOTE ]
My recollection: Ivey open raises to 30-40k with ~KJo, Black makes it 100k with A2o, Ivey pumps it up to 500k, Black goes all in. Ivey folds. Black mucks A2o face up. I don't remember the blinds, position or stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Close. Ivey had K8h, Black had A2h.
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#10
11-17-2005, 12:50 PM
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Re: Black should have won
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] My recollection: Ivey open raises to 30-40k with ~KJo, Black makes it 100k with A2o, Ivey pumps it up to 500k, Black goes all in. Ivey folds. Black mucks A2o face up. I don't remember the blinds, position or stacks. [/ QUOTE ] Close. Ivey had K8h, Black had A2h. [/ QUOTE ] Close. Ivey had K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and Black had A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. But keep trying.
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