middle pair and flush draw

catlover · #1 11-01-2005, 01:09 PM

Hi all. I'm a limit player, learning NLHE. So please explain if/where I am wrong, but go easy on me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Online No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($1102)
SB ($1404)
BB ($3726.80)
Hero ($1000)
UTG+1 ($3485.25)
MP1 ($1167.25)
MP2 ($1361.45)
MP3 ($995)
CO ($910)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $20, UTG+1 calls $20, 1 fold, MP2 calls $20, MP3 calls $20, 2 folds, SB calls $15, 1 fold.

Flop: ($110) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $50, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($210) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: ($210) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $200, MP2 calls $200.

Final Pot: $610

AceHiStation · #2 11-01-2005, 01:18 PM

Weak bet on flop can be picked off as a flush draw by stronger opponents. I like the check on the turn, I like the bet on the river. Also, minraise UTG is typically a AT/KJ/KQ/weak pocket pair type hand. You will find yourself getting reraised with nothing and costing yourself some pots if you do this. If you mix up your play and minraise with AA-QQ/AK here, I think the minraising is more acceptable.

yvesaint · #3 11-01-2005, 01:25 PM

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Also, minraise UTG is typically a AT/KJ/KQ/weak pocket pair type hand. You will find yourself getting reraised with nothing and costing yourself some pots if you do this. If you mix up your play and minraise with AA-QQ/AK here, I think the minraising is more acceptable.

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dude, he already gave his reasoning, hes a limit player

AceHiStation · #4 11-01-2005, 01:34 PM

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Also, minraise UTG is typically a AT/KJ/KQ/weak pocket pair type hand. You will find yourself getting reraised with nothing and costing yourself some pots if you do this. If you mix up your play and minraise with AA-QQ/AK here, I think the minraising is more acceptable.

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dude, he already gave his reasoning, hes a limit player

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Just trying to help. I'm sure he doesn't mind me explaining what a minraise typically means. I'm not making fun, just trying to help.

yvesaint · #5 11-01-2005, 01:35 PM

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Just trying to help. I'm sure he doesn't mind me explaining what a minraise typically means. I'm not making fun, just trying to help.

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im just messing around

but if you check every other hand hes posted, he mini-raises a lot pre-flop, especially UTG

and theres been already lots of posts on it

so i dont think anything more can really convince him otherwise

catlover · #6 11-01-2005, 01:55 PM

Re: miniraising.

Yeah, there has been a lot of discussion on it. One thing can convince me -- results. It will take a long time to get enough data. In the meantime, can y'all look at that as an interesting experiment, and focus on the rest of the hand?

I am particularly interested in the turn. My plan was to call anything but a monstrous overbet.

flawless_victory · #7 11-01-2005, 02:07 PM

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Re: miniraising.

Yeah, there has been a lot of discussion on it. One thing can convince me -- results. It will take a long time to get enough data. In the meantime, can y'all look at that as an interesting experiment, and focus on the rest of the hand?

I am particularly interested in the turn. My plan was to call anything but a monstrous overbet.

[/ QUOTE ]imagine all the beautiful chips youdve won had you opened for 40 pre, and bet pot on the flop in this hand.

Chaostracize · #8 11-01-2005, 02:13 PM

Agree 100%. I bet they shimmer.

AZK · #9 11-01-2005, 02:50 PM

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I am particularly interested in the turn. My plan was to call anything but a monstrous overbet.

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Another alternative could have been check-raising all in. Most will have a very hard time calling this without a big hand.