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#1
12-08-2005, 09:13 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
You're in this spot because of your flop play. The pot is huge, and a set of sixes is not an invulnerable monster on this board against 4 opponents. There are two straights draws and a flush draw available. Try to win this thing now. That means either betting out on the flop, so that the rest of the field faces two cold when Button raises, or just call button's raise and then pump the turn to keep the pot small enough so that the other 3 players aren't getting correct odds to hang around with gutshots, bdfd's, and other weak hands facing two cold on the turn.
With SB and BB both being idiots, it's tough to say what their bet/raise on the river means. It could be as stupid as a crappy two pair, but I'd guess at least one of them hit his JT gutshot. Oh, and with the pot this huge, hero calls and prays. 
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#2
12-08-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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You're in this spot because of your flop play. The pot is huge, and a set of sixes is not an invulnerable monster on this board against 4 opponents. There are two straights draws and a flush draw available. Try to win this thing now. That means either betting out on the flop, so that the rest of the field faces two cold when Button raises, or just call button's raise and then pump the turn to keep the pot small enough so that the other 3 players aren't getting correct odds to hang around with gutshots, bdfd's, and other weak hands facing two cold on the turn. With SB and BB both being idiots, it's tough to say what their bet/raise on the river means. It could be as stupid as a crappy two pair, but I'd guess at least one of them hit his JT gutshot. Oh, and with the pot this huge, hero calls and prays. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with everything in this post, except the the part about BB having JT. i'd fold it.
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#4
12-08-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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i can't really protect my hand. [/ QUOTE ] If i were to bet the flop it would be for value, b/c u will protect absolutely nothing, like u said. The idiots will call, but u can three bet. I'm not sure if flop c/r or b-3-bet is better, my guess is that c/r is best b/c a 3-bettor will almost always bet this flop in a huge pot but won't always raise.
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#5
12-08-2005, 09:37 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
I like leading this flop. Button may have 3-bet, but if he has AQ, AJ, AT, QJs 77, 88, TT, JJ, QQ, he may decide to check the flop. This would be horrendous. Not all of those hands are entirely likely, but they are all possible. Furthermore, if we bet, and he has a hand that would have bet the flop, he usually will raise us. This doesn't really protect our hand too much, as people will draws will still be getting great odds on their draws. But, a benefit is that we can then 3-bet very often, and force people to pay. You got lucky here, and button 3-bet, allowing your cap, but this does not happen all that often.
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#6
12-08-2005, 10:35 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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I like leading this flop. Button may have 3-bet, but if he has AQ, AJ, AT, QJs 77, 88, TT, JJ, QQ, he may decide to check the flop. This would be horrendous. Not all of those hands are entirely likely, but they are all possible. Furthermore, if we bet, and he has a hand that would have bet the flop, he usually will raise us. This doesn't really protect our hand too much, as people will draws will still be getting great odds on their draws. But, a benefit is that we can then 3-bet very often, and force people to pay. You got lucky here, and button 3-bet, allowing your cap, but this does not happen all that often. [/ QUOTE ] You make good points. I think it's close. I guess i think that I would bet almost any hand i three bet with on this flop in this size pot with these opponents. Many people would not though. I think pocket pairs almost always bet. Any chance of folding out hands drawing live in this pot with A high hands is a good thing. Perhaps hands like QJ i might check with, but i don't think they comprise much of villains range unless he's a maniac, which means he will bet anyway. Again, this is how i would play the flop checked to me. Smaller pot or really ugly flop, of course i'm not betting, but here i do. I think it's close and depends on reads though.
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