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08-19-2005, 06:06 AM
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15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
Sitting in my typical game, which right now is even better then normal... lots of limping and coldcalling. If you make any hands you make a mint... on to the hand in question.
I am MP1: 2 players limp and I raise with A-Kd... player immediately behind me goes to cold call in a feable attempt to spike a set. However, while he is in the middle of his conversation he doesn't notice that he has an extra green chip in there and puts out $40. The 40 is significant b/c that is enough to indicate a raise. Knowing full well that he had no intention of raising I say to the dealer that the player has raised. He promptly says that it was an accident and he had no intention of raising. The dealer agrees with me and asserts that unfortunately it is a raise. The blinds call and the limpers call... and it is back to me for one more bet... Two questions: 1. Knowing full well that the player trailing me had no intention of raising, but b/c he was not paying attention put too much out... should I "angle shoot" here to get it declared a raise? (My intial thought was that if I could get it deemed a 3-bet maybe we would lose some players and I could have a better chance of winning the pot) 2. When the action returns to me... is this an automatic cap or should you call... knowing full well you are going to have to hit your hand to win? I will share results later! 
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08-19-2005, 06:12 AM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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Two questions: 1. Knowing full well that the player trailing me had no intention of raising, but b/c he was not paying attention put too much out... should I "angle shoot" here to get it declared a raise? [/ QUOTE ] no, that is not very cool at all. are you are a 62 year old, breakeven nit by any chance? [ QUOTE ] 2. When the action returns to me... is this an automatic cap or should you call... knowing full well you are going to have to hit your hand to win? I will share results later! [/ QUOTE ]cap without a thought.
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#3
08-19-2005, 09:57 AM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
I think angle shooting like this is a bad idea. You are in a good game and everyone seems ok with losing money to you, why be a jerk? I doubt your cold-calling friend will be particularly eager to play at your table again.
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08-19-2005, 10:11 AM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
You should not angle shoot. I think it is appropriate to simply ask the player if he intended to raise. If he says no, but the dealer makes him raise anyway, then good for you. But I'm of the mind that a poker game should be kept friendly, especially if you're one of the better players at the game.
If you are looking for ways to squeeze out a few more bucks, go review TOP and SSHE on pot equity. Given that the pot is now 6-way and you hold AKs, you absolutely must cap for value here.
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08-19-2005, 11:19 AM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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2. When the action returns to me... is this an automatic cap or should you call... knowing full well you are going to have to hit your hand to win? [/ QUOTE ] The fact that you have to hit your hand to win doesn't mean you don't have value in raising. It's a similar situation to raising a flushdraw in a big multiway pot. AKs will flop TPTK a 3rd of the time, and overcards with a backdoor flush draw a good portion of the remaining times. You're going to get good flops more than 1/3 of the time with 5 opponents in the hand, with no indication that any of them have AA or KK. It's an easy cap.
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08-19-2005, 11:21 AM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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You're going to get good flops more than 1/3 of the time with 5 opponents in the hand, with no indication that any of them have AA or KK. It's an easy cap. [/ QUOTE ] And on another note, yeah, why not be cool at the table? Sheesh. JimmyV
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#7
08-19-2005, 01:34 PM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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I am MP1: 2 players limp and I raise with A-Kd... player immediately behind me goes to cold call in a feable attempt to spike a set. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing feeble about limping in with 77-99 here. He may even be correct to limp with worse pocket pairs.
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#8
08-19-2005, 04:33 PM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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[ QUOTE ] I am MP1: 2 players limp and I raise with A-Kd... player immediately behind me goes to cold call in a feable attempt to spike a set. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing feeble about limping in with 77-99 here. He may even be correct to limp with worse pocket pairs. [/ QUOTE ] He's not limping in, he's coldcalling. b
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08-19-2005, 04:35 PM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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1. Knowing full well that the player trailing me had no intention of raising, but b/c he was not paying attention put too much out... should I "angle shoot" here to get it declared a raise? [/ QUOTE ] Unless the guy is a jerk, it's a shortsighted, dick move to pull. b
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#10
08-19-2005, 05:25 PM
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Re: 15/30 B&M Game... Is this an automatic cap?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I am MP1: 2 players limp and I raise with A-Kd... player immediately behind me goes to cold call in a feable attempt to spike a set. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing feeble about limping in with 77-99 here. He may even be correct to limp with worse pocket pairs. [/ QUOTE ] He's not limping in, he's coldcalling. b [/ QUOTE ] But still ok at a loose table with 3 already in, no?
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