Turn call?

[Roy6]

I have trouble here playing the turn.
No read on villain so I put him on either two pair or a straight. Can I call here the turn if I fold the river UI?

-I don't get the correct odds here to draw just to a Q or a J (8.20:1 needed), and even these outs are tainted if he has the straight.
-I might be good if the board pairs and that counterfeits his 2 pair, but that could also mean he'll have a boat.
Can I say it's more likely he has 78 here and call only if a 5 pairs?

-Can I raise if I hit some of my hands? Obviously if he just checks the river, I can bet if I have improved.
But can I raise if the river is a J/Q/5?
Also, can I fold to a 3-bet then? (I think obviously yes, if the river was a J).


Cryptologic 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.00 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.00 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.00 BB.

[jph0424]

If you call the turn I think you must call the river. It is a close decision on the turn but I probably call down.

If the river is a Q or J I would raise and fold to a 3 bet. A 5 and I am just calling SB's bet.

[ArturiusX]

I'd give serious consideration to a turn fold.

[imported_leader]

[ QUOTE ]
No read on villain so I put him on either two pair or a straight.

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I have a problem with this. He could have a lot of other things. A J with a worse kicker, an 8, hearts, and there’s always nothing. The 7 is a good card for him to bluff. It completes a draw and it isn't as likely to help someone then if say a Q had fallen. I would call down here.

[JoshuaD]

I don't like calling the turn and folding the river. Usually you should make your descision on the turn.

No reads on this board I can find a fold, but next time I'm calling the guy down.

If the board was more drawy I'd be more inclined to see a showdown.