Playing from the blinds: 9Ts

[Little Lew]

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If you are going to fold vs. resistance with 2nd pair and 4 to a flush, then you need to start folding these hands pre-flop. Otherwise you are hoping to flop made hands, and that doesn't happen enough for you to be profitable.




gotta say that even a weak-tightie newbie like myself would push as fast as I could.

[Pasterbator]

Well, i'm certainly not laying this down. I think I'm pushing this everytime. If you call, I don't think you're getting paid off if you hit your flush. You're ahead of everything but J9, 44, 99, JJ, and you have tons of FE. Push this shtuff.

[Scuba Chuck]

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The question is, do I have enough FE to make this worthwhile often enough?


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Villain had slow played AA.

My question still stands. I think this play is purely about this situation. Here's another hand where I think this question applies that occurred yesterday.

10 handed, blinds 10/15

Hero is BB dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
6 players see a flop.

Flop (t90) is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Action: checked to MP who bets t75, CO calls, Hero c/r allin....

[pooh74]

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The question is, do I have enough FE to make this worthwhile often enough?


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Villain had slow played AA.

My question still stands. I think this play is purely about this situation. Here's another hand where I think this question applies that occurred yesterday.

10 handed, blinds 10/15

Hero is BB dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
6 players see a flop.

Flop (t90) is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Action: checked to MP who bets t75, CO calls, Hero c/r allin....

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I think the main difference is pot to stack ratios in each hand. In the above hand you will more often only be called by hands where your K and Q are no good. In the first hand there is "enough" to warrant taking that risk. I'm not saying that the above hand isnt a good CR AI, just maybe less so.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I think the main difference is pot to stack ratios in each hand. In the above hand you will more often only be called by hands where your K and Q are no good. In the first hand there is "enough" to warrant taking that risk. I'm not saying that the above hand isnt a good CR AI, just maybe less so.

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Why do you say that? I understand what you mean, but why aren't the same possible hand combos in either case?

[pooh74]

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I think the main difference is pot to stack ratios in each hand. In the above hand you will more often only be called by hands where your K and Q are no good. In the first hand there is "enough" to warrant taking that risk. I'm not saying that the above hand isnt a good CR AI, just maybe less so.

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Why do you say that? I understand what you mean, but why aren't the same possible hand combos in either case?

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I think a part of the value in the second hand is having 1 pair type hands call where your other outs are good...if they call less frequently then your push is losing value. In the original hand, youll get calls from hands like TP where you have outs besides the flush...you're getting calls more frequently because of the chips in the pot.

Just ignore me if this isnt making any sense...I have a head cold.

[Scuba Chuck]

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In the original hand, youll get calls from hands like TP where you have outs besides the flush...you're getting calls more frequently because of the chips in the pot.


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Are you referring to the backdoor straight? Also, are you referring to the 2 9s that beat 2 pair? I see far more similarities to these hands than differences, in terms of pot equity.