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Old 11-15-2005, 10:01 AM
pokahpaul pokahpaul is offline
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Default 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

6 handed 3/6 nl on UB

in SB with AKs
one player limps and button raises pot size
i pot him back, limper folds, villain calls

i really haven't been observing villain so i assume he a solid player

flop comes out
K103 with two spades

i bet about 3/4 pot
he calls

turn is a rag spade putting a 3flush on the board
again i bet 3/4 pot
he calls

river is a rag of another suit

at this point I have about 600 and he has a little over 400
i bet 200 as another value bet, folding to a push.
he thinks for a while and comments "hmmm" in the chat
then he finally pushes the rest of his money

i fold

now i was thinking of a probe betting the turn when the flush card came, but then i thought that it would make me look weak and induce a bluff which i probably could not call. i'm not sure if made the correct plays. should i keep firing with TPTK when villain is calling (btw, he spent some time thinking before calling each bet)

my guess is that he probably had aces? maybe AQs? maybe a set?

i later asked him what he had and he says he thought his kings were good and that he thought i was bluffing. perhaps he was lying and was slowplaying a monster hand?

this one hand put me on tilt for the rest of the session so apparently it was a crucial hand for my session.

i'm wondering what you guys think?
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:27 AM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

3 + 6 + 21 + 51 + 31

92 pot on flop

+ 69 + 69

230 pot on turn

+ 171 + 171

472 pot on river

you bet 200 he pushed for 400 you folded getting (1072:200) or about (5:1) odds

just trying to get the math straight in my head here, your post wasn't clear
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:30 AM
pokahpaul pokahpaul is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

yeah sorry about that. the hand was played on a different computer, so i did not have the hand history to look at.

on the river he had about 450 (from what I remember, a little over 450)
i did have good odds, but it was scary playing such a big pot with only a pair and the calls were scary too, so despite the odds i was getting, i'm not sure a call was right. was it?
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Old 11-15-2005, 12:50 PM
josie_wales josie_wales is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

So, his PF raise was to $27, and your re-pot was to $96 which he called.

So preflop, there is $207 in the pot, and you 3/4 pot it ($150) which he calls.

Now on turn we have a ~$500 pot, which you 3/4 again (~$375) which he calls.

On river, pot is now $1250.

You bet $200, he calls that and raises $200 more meaning you are faced with the following decision:

A $200 bet in a ~$1900 pot...or about 10-1 pot odds.

And you folded?

While you may be beat, I have to think that you win here enough to warrant a call.
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:10 PM
yvesaint yvesaint is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

damnit i missed the limper and it threw my whole thing off
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

River bet is horrible.
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

Does anyone prefer a flat call preflop rather than building a huge pot out of position.?

On the river you have to call but I would expect to chop with AK.
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Old 11-15-2005, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

Usually if an opponent types anything ever he has you beat.
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:19 PM
pokahpaul pokahpaul is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 NL AKs facing Aggression

Thanks guys.

I guess I had a problem tackling the question of good odds to call vs. I know I'm beat so why pay him off. I just can't imagine him pushing the rest of his chips in on a 3-flush board without a good hand like a flush, set, or pocket aces with a spade. He knew I couldn't have the flush since I was betting out so strongly from the flop. Possibly he used that to his advantage and pushed knowing I would fold thinking he held a monster hand? But at the same time, I highly doubt players at this level would push with the rest of his chips with a mediocre hand when I have such good odds to call.
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:35 PM
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"folding to a push"...you must have more common sense then that, why bet if your folding for 200 more, im not sure if your a donkey...but you sound like on...GF
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