middle limit holdem

etizzle · #1 10-30-2005, 06:05 PM

I can't believe that this piece of trash was ever published. They give consistent and unquestionably terrible advice. I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

What the hell were briar and ciaffone thinking?

MCS · #2 10-30-2005, 06:43 PM

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I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

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You must not have read very many.

Mason Malmuth · #3 10-30-2005, 10:36 PM

Hi MCS:

That's certainly true.

best wishes,
mason

#4 10-31-2005, 04:10 AM

I've discovered good advice in this book that has helped my game. Some points I disagree on, but that in turn increases your own questioning and thinking about the dynamics of the game you play in.

Li.

etizzle · #5 10-31-2005, 12:18 AM

i exaggerated. It is not the worst I've ever read, but it is by far the worst i've read of books i expected to be good.

MCS · #6 10-31-2005, 10:12 PM

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i exaggerated. It is not the worst I've ever read, but it is by far the worst i've read of books i expected to be good.

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Well, that makes more sense.

I actually like Mason's rating of 6 +/- 2 based on how well you can work around some of its weak-tightness. I think that if you understand it errs on the side of caution, shall we say, then it's very good. It points out a LOT of things you should think about during hands.

I also like its format a lot.

benkahuna · #7 10-30-2005, 06:54 PM

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I can't believe that this piece of trash was ever published. They give consistent and unquestionably terrible advice. I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

What the hell were briar and ciaffone thinking?

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Tight aggressive play using pot odds, implied odds and considering context of hand including player types and board texture... Based on real hands.

Yeah, what terrible advice... That's no way to play poker at all.

etizzle · #8 10-30-2005, 07:09 PM

it has you fold overpairs almost every time the flop is reraised.

it also has you fold AJ on a J high monotone board for one raise on the flop.

And it has you fold AT on a T98 board after it goes bet-raise into you.

This is making me sick.

benkahuna · #9 10-30-2005, 07:24 PM

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it has you fold overpairs almost every time the flop is reraised.

it also has you fold AJ on a J high monotone board for one raise on the flop.

And it has you fold AT on a T98 board after it goes bet-raise into you.

This is making me sick.

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I think those are borderline calls at low limit. At middle limit, seems fine to me. I guess you don't much care for folding when it looks likely you're beat?

Mason Malmuth · #10 10-30-2005, 10:35 PM

Hi benkahuna:

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I guess you don't much care for folding when it looks likely you're beat?

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If you're thinking like this, especially at middle limit, you're not going to do very well. That's because there is a little something known as the size of the pot that comes into play.

Best wishes,
Mason