something rather disturbing...

axioma · #1 06-30-2005, 06:47 PM

poker edge. yes i know its been around a while, but the recent thread really made me stop and think.

at what point do we say "no, thats crossing a line that shouldnt be crossed"? i use PT and PV, so im no purist saint or anything, but whilst reading through that poker edge thread something did not sit well at all. I cant put my finger on it but something felt pretty wrong.

if nothing else i feel as though the people behind PE are somehow exploting those that do not use it, for thier own profits.

this is not how poker should be [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

SackUp · #2 06-30-2005, 06:52 PM

did you really need to make a new thread about this?? There have already been several threads on using PT, PV, PE and others.

It's the same with anything. Those of use with the best tools and smarts will always do the best.

HRFats · #3 06-30-2005, 06:55 PM

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did you really need to make a new thread about this?? There have already been several threads on using PT, PV, PE and others.

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This from the same guy that started a new thread on the July Party Bonus.

bigredlemon · #4 06-30-2005, 07:21 PM

ZING!

skoal2k4 · #5 06-30-2005, 07:32 PM

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did you really need to make a new thread about this?? There have already been several threads on using PT, PV, PE and others.

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This from the same guy that started a new thread on the July Party Bonus.

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heh

garion888 · #6 06-30-2005, 08:39 PM

Actually...poker is a negative sum game...

SackUp · #7 06-30-2005, 08:47 PM

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did you really need to make a new thread about this?? There have already been several threads on using PT, PV, PE and others.

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This from the same guy that started a new thread on the July Party Bonus.

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Ya and I subsequently deleted it 2 secs after posting. The party bonus thread wasn't as glaring....honest mistake..and I rectified it rather quickly. HUGE difference.

There have been about a million posts on all these things including a post only about PE.

And there are limited people who use any of these programs. It is merely data that anyone can compile and anyone has the opportunity to use. i would draw an analogy to something else but you would probably just dismiss it and hence not worth it.

Stop using PT and PV if you are so against these programs. No one is forcing you to use them.

Regardless these programs are merely aids and do not play poker for you. You still have to play the game and these just help you get little edges.

Theodore Donald Kiravatsos · #8 07-01-2005, 08:28 AM

So...

Going to Law School, eh? Super!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] This world couldn't possibly have enough lawyers!

Planning to be a lawyer for Big Tobacco? You seem to have twisted the morality on this issue enough to demonstrate you could be a real asset for them.

axioma · #9 06-30-2005, 07:22 PM

not that i have to answer to your rather useless question in the first place, but this isnt really about just PE. reading that thread was just what made me think.

poker tracker in itself does not exploit anyone. you are paying for the software then you do the work yourself in order to get data.

PE is essentially reducing YOURS and MINE expection, then charging others for this information. remeber, poker is a zero sum game, and the value you get from PE has to come from somwhere.

in my opinion (and its only my opinion), PE is i think going a little too far. i dont have problems with people datamining for themselves, and even with them trading data with other users, but to mine on a large, COMERCIAL scale is less that comendable.

i dont like it. and more generally, if you do like it, where do YOU draw the line?

pshabi · #10 06-30-2005, 06:54 PM

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if nothing else i feel as though the people behind PE are somehow exploting those that do not use it, for thier own profits.

this is not how poker should be [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

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Huh? They're providing a service. You're purchasing it and using to exploit those that don't have it for YOUR profit.

Just like PokerTracker.

You may feel bad about PE but that's not the reason.