about Kerry's service in Vietnam, new questions have arisen

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When more obviously biased article questioning the truth about Kerry's military service. A couple of excerpts:

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly stated that the official naval records prove the truth of Kerry's assertions about his service.

But the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.

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B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.

Burkett recently filed a complaint that led last month to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.

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94 pages of records unreleased?



Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."

Kerry needs to release these records to clear this up. If the records showed that he, Kerry, was right beyond a shawdow of a doubt they'd be released in a heart beat.

Plot thickens after checking records


Plot thickens after checking records

August 27, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB Advertisement






In the midst of the controversy between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and Kerry campaign representatives about Kerry's service in Vietnam, new questions have arisen.

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly stated that the official naval records prove the truth of Kerry's assertions about his service.

But the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.

Fake claims not uncommon



B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.

Burkett recently filed a complaint that led last month to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.

Kerry's Web site also lists two different citations for the Silver Star. One was issued by the commander in chief of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC), Adm. John Hyland. The other, issued by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan administration, contained some revisions and additional language. "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself... ."

One award, three citations



But a third citation exists that appears to be the earliest. And it is not on the Kerry campaign Web site. It was issued by Vice Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam. This citation lacks the language in the Hyland citation or that added by the Lehman version, but includes another 170 words in a detailed description of Kerry's attack on a Viet Cong ambush, his killing of an enemy soldier carrying a loaded rocket launcher, as well as military equipment captured and a body count of dead enemy.

Maj. Anthony Milavic, a retired Marine Vietnam veteran, calls the issuance of three citations for the same medal "bizarre." Milavic hosts Milinet, an Internet forum popular with the military community that is intended "to provide a forum in military/political affairs."

Normally in the case of a lost citation, Milavec points out, the awardee simply asked for a copy to be sent to him from his service personnel records office where it remains on file. "I have never heard of multi-citations from three different people for the same medal award," he said. Nor has Burkett: "It is even stranger to have three different descriptions of the awardee's conduct in the citations for the same award."

So far, there are also two varying citations for Kerry's Bronze Star, one by Zumwalt and the other by Lehman as secretary of the Navy, both posted on johnkerry.com.

Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."

94 pages of records unreleased?



Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."

What could that more than 100 pages contain? Questions have been raised about President Bush's drill attendance in the reserves, but Bush received his honorable discharge on schedule. Kerry, who should have been discharged from the Navy about the same time -- July 1, 1972 -- wasn't given the discharge he has on his campaign Web site until July 13, 1978. What delayed the discharge for six years? This raises serious questions about Kerry's performance while in the reserves that are far more potentially damaging than those raised against Bush.

Experts point out that even the official military records get screwed up. Milavic is trying to get mistakes in his own DD214 file corrected. In his opinion, "these entries are not prima facie evidence of lying or unethical behavior on the part of Kerry or anyone else with screwed-up DD214s."

Burkett, who has spent years working with the FBI, Department of Justice and all of the military services uncovering fraudulent files in the official records, is less charitable: "The multiple citations and variations in the official record are reason for suspicion in itself, even disregarding the current swift boat veterans' controversy."

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These aren't new questions, it is the same old crap.

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This crap is precisely the reason why we don't get better candidates running for high office. Do you really give a rat's asss about this stuff?

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We have a quagmire in Iraq, Bin Laden is still running around in Afganistan, the Taliban is rebuilding power, The Chinese are stealing our jobs, unemployment is higher, the market is lower, The U.S. Treasury is empty ...

Yep, a purple heart that was awarded in 1968 is about the number one priority I can think of. What could be more important?
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No you misunderstood my post. My point is that the constant character assisination makes it unpalitable for good qualified people to seek higher office.

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This crap is precisely the reason why we don't get better candidates running for high office.

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Thanks for telling me I didn't realize I had so much influence.

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Do you really give a rat's asss about this stuff?

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Yes I do. Kerry has promoted his Viet Nam service as a key qualification for his being elected president. If the guy has totally misrepresented his record of service and received at least some of his medals fraudulently then I think that's something that's worth knowing. This is especially the case since Kerry and the DNC have made Kerry's service an issue. Don't most people believe that character counts? If you don't care about don't read about it. Just vote for Kerry.

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This crap is precisely the reason why we don't get better candidates running for high office.

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Thanks for telling me I didn't realize I had so much influence.

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Do you really give a rat's asss about this stuff?

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Yes I do. Kerry has promoted his Viet Nam service as a key qualification for his being elected president. If the guy has totally misrepresented his record of service and received at least some of his medals fraudulently then I think that's something that's worth knowing. This is especially the case since Kerry and the DNC have made Kerry's service an issue. Don't most people believe that character counts? If you don't care about don't read about it. Just vote for Kerry.

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My you have a high opinion of yourself if you think that I was referring to your influence. I was referring of course to the blatant character assisinations that take place during election campaigns for high offices.

And I was referring of course to the same blatant character assisinations in my statement of giving a rat's asss.

I similarly disregarded the stuff said about W four years ago. The sooner we get this type of thing out of politics the better off the country will be. But as long as people such as yourself so easily latch onto this stuff, I don't hold out much hope for that.

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Jeez, Toro...who brought it up? Kerry. Who made an issue out if it in the first place? Kerry. So it isn't an issue of character assassination, is it? If the candidate himself raises the issue, don't blame others for taking a closer look at the candidate's claims regarding that issue--and at how those claims square off with reality..

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The sooner we get this type of thing out of politics the better off the country will be. But as long as people such as yourself so easily latch onto this stuff, I don't hold out much hope for that.

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So what issues have you brought up lately? How Jeb is trying to "steal the election" again?

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The sooner we get this type of thing out of politics the better off the country will be. But as long as people such as yourself so easily latch onto this stuff, I don't hold out much hope for that.

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So what issues have you brought up lately? How Jeb is trying to "steal the election" again?

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That's something that unfolded before our very eyes, not some crap made up to smear someone.