Step 5 Hand versus GIGABET

Lmn55d · #1 12-09-2004, 08:27 PM

Hey I posted this in MTT too...not sure where it should go, but would like to get your opinions as well.

This hand was played in step 5 of party step tourney (2table). Blinds going up to 50/100 next hand. Villain is gigabet. Table is 6 handed, about 11-12 left in tourney. From my read, Gig is a very aggressive player who would make this raise with a wide range of hands. I thought that he'd fold a lot of the hands that would be close to a coinflip considering he was only getting 1.4:1 and because I had played very tightly, but I guess this last part of my read was wrong seeing that he called with JK. Was my push a good play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t820)
UTG (t1065)
MP (t1255)
CO (t2200)
Button (t2500)
SB (t475)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button raises to t125, SB folds, Hero raises to t820 (All-In), Button calls t695.

Flop: (t1665) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1665) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1665) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1665

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9h As (high card, ace).
Button has Jh Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t1665.

The Yugoslavian · #2 12-09-2004, 08:41 PM

Hmm, interesting play by Gigabet. This move by him turns out to be slightly +CEV as he's 1.36 to 1 dog and getting over 1.4 to 1 odds. However, I too am surprised he called here with KJo. It could be that there were some meta-considerations that he took into account (given who else was at the table) since he plays against the same ppl in those STEP 5s like all day every day. This can't be a +$EV move given even a very loose range of hands by you. However, I do not regularly play such high stakes and defending your preflop raises may be too important. Frankly, there is a good chance he put you on a low pocket pair in which case he's only a 1.16 to 1 dog giving him a higher CEV.

Of course, him being a bot probably had something to do with it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

KingMedicine · #3 12-09-2004, 09:31 PM

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Of course, him being a bot probably had something to do with it [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

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gigabot

Desdia72 · #4 12-09-2004, 09:40 PM

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Hey I posted this in MTT too...not sure where it should go, but would like to get your opinions as well.

This hand was played in step 5 of party step tourney (2table). Blinds going up to 50/100 next hand. Villain is gigabet. Table is 6 handed, about 11-12 left in tourney. From my read, Gig is a very aggressive player who would make this raise with a wide range of hands. I thought that he'd fold a lot of the hands that would be close to a coinflip considering he was only getting 1.4:1 and because I had played very tightly, but I guess this last part of my read was wrong seeing that he called with JK. Was my push a good play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t820)
UTG (t1065)
MP (t1255)
CO (t2200)
Button (t2500)
SB (t475)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button raises to t125, SB folds, Hero raises to t820 (All-In), Button calls t695.

Flop: (t1665) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1665) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1665) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1665

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9h As (high card, ace).
Button has Jh Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t1665. 

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very interesting. i'd like to hear his response.

DonkeyKong · #5 12-09-2004, 10:00 PM

Marginal play by Gigabet. Not bad, not good. Guess he felt like gambling.

KJ only crappy vs the real premium hands and AJ/KQ. He probably thought you likely to make this play with any A or any pair given your stack.

This was kind of a Gus Hansen call -- making the marginal call to gather chips quickly and then run over the table...

Paragon · #6 12-09-2004, 10:37 PM

From my limited experience I'd agree here. The fact Gigabet is the big stack probably means he is far more willing to make marginal calls, since winning gives him a huge advantage over a shorthanded table, while losing is not disastrous. Also, I think showing his willingness to call the desperate shortstack allin steals only makes him a stronger table bully.

Gigabet · #7 12-09-2004, 11:04 PM

look in multi table forum for response

Apathy · #8 12-10-2004, 12:16 AM

Funny how everyone in the MTT forum attack Gigabets play as idiotic and here everyone defended it. In my opinion this forum gives much more thought out responses and consideration to posts, I think Gigabets call has a lot of merit and I am glad to see some in this forum actually consider it before just dismissing it as stupid as many in the MTT forum did.

SuitedSixes · #9 12-10-2004, 05:00 AM

I'll echo this sentiment . . . I think that this is the smartest of the non-theory/non-psyche forums. Lots of intelligent people willing to share advice. Let's hope it stays that way!

ethan · #10 12-10-2004, 01:13 AM

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look in multi table forum for response

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Here's a link to the thread in the MTT forum. The reasoning behind the call is worth a read, and I think it makes a lot of sense.