Over pair on draw heavy board

FreakDaddy · #1 10-10-2005, 03:49 AM

Villian in superfish, but a bit quirky. 78VP$IP/34%WTSD/23%W$SD (75 hands). I'm voting good fold, just curious what others think.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($11.05)
MP3 ($23.90)
CO ($25)
Button ($50.45)
SB ($26.25)
BB ($43.15)
UTG ($18.56)
Hero ($27.75)
MP1 ($41.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $1.

Turn: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, CO folds, BB raises to $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $13

Malachii · #2 10-10-2005, 03:50 AM

Yeah, good fold.

yvesaint · #3 10-10-2005, 03:51 AM

easy fold, but why no raise pre-flop, especially with the CO poster

FreakDaddy · #4 10-10-2005, 03:59 AM

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easy fold, but why no raise pre-flop, especially with the CO poster

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Sometimes I'll raise in this particualr situation, but sometimes not. At this level I've found limping JJ's to be more profitable. If the flop is 8 high, people will call down with K8, A8 etc... also flopping trips is especially lucrative with JJ's as you'll likely flop top set and although a lot of people will pay off almost any set, JJ's is especially unexpected and profitable. Last night for instance I flopped top set against a set of ducks and a set of 99's.

whittiphil · #5 10-10-2005, 04:14 AM

the thing is, he'll also call your raise with K8, and then you'll get even more money. Raise preflop.

Good fold.

#6 10-10-2005, 04:27 AM

yeah, good fold.

yvesaint · #7 10-10-2005, 04:36 AM

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Last night for instance I flopped top set against a set of ducks and a set of 99's.

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congratulations, what does this have to do with whether you raise JJ pre-flop or not

4_2_it · #8 10-10-2005, 08:32 AM

Since you limped pre-flop, good fold. A raise really would have helped define your opponent's hands. If you only play JJ for set value you are giving up some EV. A pre-flop raise allows you to represent any paint that hits the flop. A queen or king high flop isn't as scary if put in a 4-5bb raise and follow up with a half pot continuation. Also, when you hit your set with JJ, many under pairs will stick around and pay off what they think is your 'AK'.

I will limp with JJ occasionally when I know I will get action, but against a 'super fish' I am raising this pre-flop 100% of the time.

Finally, while I think villain probably had a 7 in this case, I have seen fishy players with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] take a similar line trying to protect their hand.