Play along with Chesspain's JJ vs. two TAGs... - Page 4

BigBaitsim (milo) · #31 06-04-2005, 04:42 PM

Cap it. Good chance you are ahead, even against TAGs and you gain some measure of control.

BigBaitsim (milo) · #32 06-04-2005, 04:44 PM

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Preflop: chesspain is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, chesspain caps, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
chesspain bets, Button raises, chesspain 3-bets...

Standard once it's heads-up? And what's my plan from this point?

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I like it. Call the cap if he makes it.

BigBaitsim (milo) · #33 06-04-2005, 04:46 PM

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Preflop: chesspain is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, chesspain caps, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
chesspain bets, Button raises, chesspain 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
chesspain bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Based upon the significant drop off in the number of responses to this thread after the preflop action, I am guessing that the preflop decision was the only debateable part of the hand.

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Well played. If he caps the flop, I consider calling him down, depending on the turn and river, of course.

S_Perry · #34 06-04-2005, 07:21 PM

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How tight have you been, how tenacious are they postflop with overcards, how have they been adjusting for position with their opening & 3-betting. Your decision should incorporate all of these...

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You did see where I said:

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Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands

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I did. That's at least 1 hour in a B&M. My reads are solid in that time.

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Wow...so assuming that an average TAG is 18/9 preflop, that means that you get "solid" post-flop reads for someone after they have played maybe six or seven hands, raised with three of them, and gone to showdown maybe once or twice?

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On their hand ranges, yes. Don't you think about the hands they folded when they don't get to showdown? Do you need to see their exact holecards to be able to get a read on their opening standards?

S_Perry · #35 06-04-2005, 07:23 PM

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Button must have had Ax in diamonds, probably AK-AT.

Was it your intention to try and get it heads up by capping PF?

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Since I assumed that the openraiser may well have been opening light, I figured there was a good chance he had a hand as weak as a mid-PP against which I was ahead...or a hand with up to six outs such as KQ/AQ with which he might drop either right there, or on the flop if he missed (especially if he was afraid of getting trapped between the Button and me).

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Why wasn't this information in the original hand post? Seems pretty important.

oreogod · #36 06-04-2005, 07:37 PM

The only thing preflop to debate is what is Button holding? MP2 is probably open raising with AT, KJ, KQ...etc. Buttons 3-bet is what Im worried about. If he only does it with AK, AQ and AA-JJ u could be in a lot of trouble.

I dont mind a fold out of position against a TAG. What happens if a Q hits, AK might be able to push u out of the pot. Or u could be way behind.

Depends. If MP2 is raising light, I like a cap. Get Button heads up, although out of position, its more likely he has AK, AQ.

chesspain · #37 06-04-2005, 09:11 PM

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Since I assumed that the openraiser may well have been opening light, I figured there was a good chance he had a hand as weak as a mid-PP against which I was ahead...or a hand with up to six outs such as KQ/AQ with which he might drop either right there, or on the flop if he missed (especially if he was afraid of getting trapped between the Button and me).

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Why wasn't this information in the original hand post? Seems pretty important.

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Although I gave what limited reads I had--that opponents seemed TAGish--I wanted to leave my strategy thoughts out until individuals had a chance to formulate their own ideas.