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aK13 · #1 09-21-2005, 05:10 PM

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero

What if the river is an A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ? What if the T or A doesn't complete the flush?

tiltaholic · #2 09-21-2005, 05:13 PM

reeeeeeeeeeeeeds

i usually call the river.

crownjules · #3 09-21-2005, 05:14 PM

I don't think the [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] makes a difference at all. In my mind, MP is betting because he has a 9, not a flush draw. Doesn't make sense that he'd check the flop on a flush draw but suddenly bet it on the turn.

I think I would just call the river since I don't want to call or fold to a 3-bet.

cold_cash · #4 09-21-2005, 05:19 PM

I don't hate raising if you can fold when he 3-bets.

Redd · #5 09-21-2005, 05:21 PM

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeds

i usually call the river.

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Could you elaborate? In these situations (including this one in particular) I'm generally expecting villain to have a lower pair over 2/3 of the time. He's not gonna play a flush draw like this, and there's many more playable hands with 7s, 9s, or low PPs than 4s.

Jacob_Gilliam · #6 09-21-2005, 05:22 PM

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeds

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Commies? Pinkos? Missing an A?

Call the river.

milesdyson · #7 09-21-2005, 05:22 PM

raise, and don't expect to be 3-bet often at all.

istewart · #8 09-21-2005, 05:24 PM

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I don't hate raising if you can fold when he 3-bets.

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Yeah part of my problem here with raising is that I really want to get this to showdown and calling a 3-bet is throwing chips away. I think raising is probably the better move though.

lufbradolly · #9 09-21-2005, 05:27 PM

I'd just call in the heat of the moment.

If you raise and are then 3 bet your beat like everytime.

So it's either call or raise/fold but i'd call.

tiltaholic · #10 09-21-2005, 05:31 PM

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeds

i usually call the river.

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Could you elaborate? In these situations (including this one in particular) I'm generally expecting villain to have a lower pair over 2/3 of the time. He's not gonna play a flush draw like this, and there's many more playable hands with 7s, 9s, or low PPs than 4s.

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well, i think it really matters who the villian is.

i really suck at value raising in these situations. honestly i thought the question was call or fold, whereas people are advocating raising here. it seems i'm weak tight right now, seeing monsters and off my game...

anyway clearly we can't fold this river. and if villian is a wild moran, i'd tend to agree that he could have nothing or a nine or a seven and i like a raise more.