Oh no, I hit a full house! This sucks!

Azhrarn · #1 08-10-2005, 05:49 PM

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls, CO caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

My first thought when it got checked around is someone's slowplaying pocket aces.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

I actually let out a small groan of pain when I saw the turn card. And then I immediately started thinking of other reasons the flop may have gotten checked around other than a flopped full house.

River: (14.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

My heart sank when I got raised, but I called anyway. Is there any other way to play this hand?

#2 08-10-2005, 05:50 PM

90% of the time, this is a horribly slow played AA. I hate when this happens.

meep_42 · #3 08-10-2005, 05:59 PM

Perfect.

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centja1 · #4 08-10-2005, 06:02 PM

i think you played the hand just about perfectly. the guy who slow played rockets gave you the free card to make a nice second best hand so you could pay him off.

Nothing you can do here except do just that. You're losing to exactly two hands in a large pot you paid 4 small bets to play.....no way you can fold with the second best full house with 14 BB out there.

kick a puppy because nobody makes any hand on the turn when you do that!

KDawgCometh · #5 08-10-2005, 06:11 PM

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Perfect.

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crunchy1 · #6 08-10-2005, 06:24 PM

No reads and we're not giving CO credit for any other hand except AA!?! This is like bizzaro SS?!? And certainly not what I'd expect from a couple decent posters.

You turned a full house that also made a flush. UTG+1 isn't a factor anymore and CO capped PF knowing that he'd have position in a 5-way pot. I don't understand why you wouldn't 3-bet and call a cap (if neccessary) on the river. You missed bet(s) here.

meep_42 · #7 08-10-2005, 06:29 PM

I'd need a reason to believe he'd cap a KQs type hand pf before I could believe that.

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crunchy1 · #8 08-10-2005, 06:44 PM

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I'd need a reason to believe he'd cap a KQs type hand pf before I could believe that.

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Reads would really help. The type of player that will cap AA PF, flop the 2nd nuts and check behind 4 opponents is pretty rare IMO.

Possibly bet/calling the river is both a safe way to play. It's not losing us that much due to the frequency this will come up and the fact that we're HU and putting in bets at a 1:1 ratio. Personally, I'm willing to go 2 extra BBs because (A) I think we're ahead more than we're behind and (B) I don't want the CO thinking he can run over me with aggression in the future.

SteamingFish · #9 08-10-2005, 06:50 PM

Noob question: why not bet the flop, expecting the CO to raise and scare everyone else out? It's already a huge pot, wouldn't getting anyone to fold at this point increase our chances of winning?

Azhrarn · #10 08-10-2005, 06:59 PM

Meh. I had reads, and I forgot to put them in. I suck.

UTG+1 was loose and erratic, but he had been rather passive pre-flop before this. I had about 100 hands on CO, and he had TAGish stats, but I didn't have a sense of how he played post-flop.

After the river raise, I thought AA was much more likely for the CO than any other hand. A hand like KQ of spades makes some sense, but a) many people wouldn't cap with that after a limp reraise, and b) many would bet the flop with it if they did cap pre-flop. Not much else makes any sense at all.

Also, when I see flop checked around after it got capped pf, I immediately start thinking about slowplayed monsters.