First 15/30 Foray

[samdash]

This makes absolutely no sense.

[samdash]

Bet the turn to charge Kc? This makes absolutely no sense. You are proof my theory that even a monkey could beat the party 15/30.

[The Bear]

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Bet the turn to charge Kc? This makes absolutely no sense. You are proof my theory that even a monkey could beat the party 15/30.

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Could you kindly explain your logic here?

Suppose UTG has KcQs and UTG+1 has 7c7h. How does betting the turn make no sense?

I'm not saying that I would fire again at the turn, but simply arguing that your statement is total nonsense.

[TXTiger]

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Bet the turn to charge Kc? This makes absolutely no sense. You are proof my theory that even a monkey could beat the party 15/30.


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Could you kindly explain your logic here?

Suppose UTG has KcQs and UTG+1 has 7c7h. How does betting the turn make no sense?

I'm not saying that I would fire again at the turn, but simply arguing that your statement is total nonsense.



He wasn't trying to make sense. He was trying to be rude. Mission accomplished.

Charging people who are likely behind to draw out instead of giving them a free card. Eureka, what a concept.

[Schneids]

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Bet the turn to charge Kc? This makes absolutely no sense. You are proof my theory that even a monkey could beat the party 15/30.

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Sam, having played with you enough at 10/20 6-max to make this statement, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are riding one big hot streak and things will come crashing down eventually if you don't change your style.

I also know I'm not alone in believing this.

Continue on.

[Nightwish]

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Thanks for the responses. Yeah, after thinking about it and discussing it with bicyclekick, about 1 minute after the hand, I realized how wrong NOT betting the turn was. As Steve said, it would have been different if I held the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG+1 had 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for the flopped flush.

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BTW, I hope you realize that UTG+1 played this very poorly. He should have either bet out or checkraised on the flop and then kept on betting. His hand is very vulnerable to a 4th club falling.

[samdash]

On the turn this seems like a situation where the JJ is a "collective underdog" so to speak against the most likely holdings of opponents. If the K of clubs is out there, it will be seeing the river regardless. You will not lose the pot because you check here unless its due to some fluke 2 outer. Certainly possible to be checkraised here on the turn by a worse hand. I think taking a free card and reacting accordingly on the river is the best plan.

[The Bear]

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On the turn this seems like a situation where the JJ is a "collective underdog" so to speak against the most likely holdings of opponents.

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I'm not sure what you mean by collective underdog, but if you're implying that JJ is ahead on the turn and has pot equity of <.33, you're wrong. Find me two opponent's hands where that is the case.

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If the K of clubs is out there, it will be seeing the river regardless.


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Yeah, obviously. So you have the choice of giving him the draw for free or charging him one bet. What's the problem?

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You will not lose the pot because you check here unless its due to some fluke 2 outer.

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A 2-outer? Did you even read the post? Honestly, I'm just really, really confused now.

[Michael Davis]

The fact that the Kc is going to the river is precisely why you should bet!

-Michael

[arkady]

what davidross is suggesting is very reasonable. Your reply seems rather rude and with out any actual explanation of why you think, charging a singleton [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s is such a horrible play.