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Old 07-01-2005, 04:40 PM
bkbluedevil bkbluedevil is offline
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Default Re: Step 5, how bad?

Obviously he can't pull these pots a lot, but that image is basically the exact oposite of how freemoney plays so why not exploit that? I'd like showing a lot more if the person in question was actually weak tight.

For me, I would never do this as even if I don't capitalize on this image with plays soon, the first several times I shove all in later in the tourney, I want the blinds from someone who believes my range is way tighter than it is.
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Old 07-01-2005, 04:50 PM
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alright i will comment on this hand...opponent is a known regular, even though i directly bought in this isnt an account i usually play on and i dont play step 5s so i look like a player without the ability to compete/scared money, also the only hand that i saw a flop with i had open raised and check/folded on a pretty ugly flop, so all things point to me being weak/tight. on to the hand...folded to me, i raise here i dont think thats too exciting i guess some people fold but i dont, the BB regular is gonna call me with a very wide range of hands here to outplay me, the flop comes very drawy and with my image and board i will get played back at alot, also if a diamond comes on the turn its near impossible for villian to put me on the hand i have so i check, villian bets when the turn comes king i think he is gonna bet here a large portion of the time, i still have a nut flush draw and my ace is usually good so i call sometimes i might raise here to be able to steal on a blank river but that makes it easier to commit villian with a marginal hand because pot gets real big and i dont want to do that, river is an offsuit queen he checks to me i dont think he thinks its possible for me to check the flop and call the turn with intentions of trying to win the pot on the river with my image if he does have a marginal hand with a pretty interesting board he has to expect i will check behind most marginal hands so he will value bet/blocking bet alot of hands that want to see a showdown i think, pot is pretty big and although i dont necessarily "represent" a big hand i think my line is confusing enough, i mean most importantly i felt pretty good that villian was trying to steal the pot on the turn so all of this thinking could be pretty useless and he could of had 23o and was just trying to steal the pot, but based on everything thats my reasoning for this play.

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Now this is pretty damned funny stuff, when I could follow it. Let me see if I can condense your reasoning.

I had a weak-tight image because I was playing with an unknown screen name and I had folded one hand that I raised preflop I’m not convinced that having an unknown name (after all, there are 10 people sitting at the table) and folding one hand in Level I or II would give you a “weak-tight” image that you could exploit later.

Betting on the flop is boring That may be the worse excuse I’ve ever heard for not making a +EV play.

The villain was trying to steal the pot on the turn What makes you so certain he doesn’t have a king?

My image is weak-tight. So when I raised on the river, he had to respect that Like I said earlier, I very much doubt that you had projected a “weak-tight” image that you could exploit later. But if you had, I think your psychology skills are very poor. A weak-tight person is more likely to make an overbet on the river, just like a weak coward is more likely to come at you with a gun than his fists. Like the other guy at the table said, "I knew you didn't have [censored]"

I confused the villain with my unorthodox play Without a doubt.
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Old 07-01-2005, 05:08 PM
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That's all well and good but even if it is, there are maybe 2 people in this forum who would even know why it looks fine.

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Puhleeze
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Old 07-01-2005, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: Step 5, how bad?

So in the end, do you think the river bet just folded a hand that couldn't beat Ace high?
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:39 PM
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lol your an idiot you just make up things that i dont say, and if you dont think my image here is very important and comes into play then ur a bigger idiot.
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:41 PM
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yeah i think its highly possible that i had the best hand, thats a big reason why i make this play its not just a random decision, but if he has a jack or something its really tough to call at the end and the pot is too big to just let him take it with a real marginal hand.
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Old 07-01-2005, 09:06 PM
jcm4ccc jcm4ccc is offline
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lol your an idiot you just make up things that i dont say, and if you dont think my image here is very important and comes into play then ur a bigger idiot.

[/ QUOTE ] All right, tell me so I can understand. How did you establish your "weak-tight" image at this table? From what I gathered, you were playing under an unknown screen name, and you folded one hand in Level I and Level II. Anything else?
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Old 07-02-2005, 11:28 AM
freemoney freemoney is offline
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nearly everyone at the table is buying in directly or close to it, it looks like i prob qualified- then by going nearly 2 orbits only playing one hand and check folding it after a Q-3-6 flop i think i do a fair job of establishing a weak-tight image/regardless of it was intended or not. the idea that a player with the limited information he has of me will make this play is not expected.
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Old 07-02-2005, 12:11 PM
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That's all well and good but even if it is, there are maybe 2 people in this forum who would even know why it looks fine.

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Puhleeze

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I think I meant 2%. That's 4 people [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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