Making -ev decisions in capped buyin games to cover fish...

[flawless_victory]

yeah i do this to some extent... i wont call EP raises with KJo (WHY?), but ill CR allin with draws not minding if they call and i take the worst of it as doubling up quick is of the essence if there is some guy with three buyins who will never ever fold TP.

[runnerunner]

I do this a lot, I'll get all in with AK preflop in a live game to try to build a stack. It depends on other stack sizes. If there is a donkey on a card rush with a huge stack, I'll be more aggressive trying to get chips so that he dumps more of it to me than one of the other good players. It only good players have a lot of chips, I won't be as aggressive trying to build a stack.

[AZK]

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i wont call EP raises with KJo (WHY?),

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so you can use your position to outplay them postflop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[HoldEmKillah]

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I think it's waaay too easy to justify a lot of really crappy play doing this however, imo to do this and have it be +EV overall pretty much every component has to be there, one or more fish with big stacks who are really & truly bad & you have position on them, no other deep stacked LAG's with position on you & preferably the rest of the table being a rock garden so you can sucessfully isolate the fish a high % of the time. And I really don't like calling tight mini rocks with any 2, it's much more a matter of being willing to play a good but not great draw very, very aggro or calling small to medium all in's with more marginal pairs like 10-10.

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I really don't recommend just anybody trying what AZK is talking about. Like IHateCats said above, all the elements have to be aligned. Not only that, the player has to be able to know when they are aligned and then exploit the situation for all it's worth. I believe there very very few players who are capable of putting all the pieces together and making it work.

btw, cats excellent points in general there.

[flawless_victory]

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i wont call EP raises with KJo (WHY?),

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so you can go broke [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]i see. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[AZK]

nh

[Alexthegreat]

The thread about Paul Phillips at the mirage a few months back had lots of discussion about this.....

[Ulysses]

Yes.

[limon]

your gambling so you can cover but then once you do cover you tighten up?? seems weird to me. i like the idea of buying in even shorter then moving in on them w/ ak/aq/tt etc...greenstien already wrote about this. once im as deep as them just give me position and 2 cards.

What if the game breaks or the big stacks leave after you've dumped a couple buy-ins trying to cover? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]