ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

[jedi]

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Bro, where is the logic in spending over $1k in travel expenses to play for $500 a game? I would have -E(x) assuming equal strenght. I would have to win 6 out of 10 games just to break even.

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You're the one issuing the challenge. If you have a problem with it, then why issue the challenge in the first place. And 6 out of 10 games shouldn't be a problem for an expert like yourself.

Even if online poker isn't 100% rigged (and I know it's not) does anyone here feel safe if it is only 10% rigged? Out of the millions of hands played every day 10% would be a huge fix. What about playing against bots or even teams of cheats with sophisticated comm gear? Hell, they could be sitting in the same room at different PC's using an IP annonymizer program and if you get into a ring game with them you'll be dead meat. You against 6 guys sitting together who know each others cards. Wow. The more I think about this the more certain I am that it's occurring. It isn't that difficult to do. In fact I ought to put together a team to do this. :-)

Doesn't any of this scare the crap out of you online players?

[jedi]

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Even if online poker isn't 100% rigged (and I know it's not) does anyone here feel safe if it is only 10% rigged? Out of the millions of hands played every day 10% would be a huge fix. What about playing against bots or even teams of cheats with sophisticated comm gear? Hell, they could be sitting in the same room at different PC's using an IP annonymizer program and if you get into a ring game with them you'll be dead meat. You against 6 guys sitting together who know each others cards. Wow. The more I think about this the more certain I am that it's occurring. It isn't that difficult to do. In fact I ought to put together a team to do this. :-)

Doesn't any of this scare the crap out of you online players?

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Teams of bots and colluders are much different than accusing a poker site of rigging their own deal. Poker sites have a vested interest in keeping the games clean, so they should do anything they can to root out bots and colluders. In fact, online sites have more tools to stop colluders, with records on every hand they've played to who they play with and for how long.

[jman220]

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Oh you live in NY. That would be easy. We are about 600 km (400 mi) apart, and I'm sure we can arrange something. We don't you come here, we play $200 HU, only that every game you win, I pay you $210, but you only pay me $200 per game that I win. That way, assuming that we are equal strenght, after 20 games, you have an E(x) of +$100, that should cover half of your flight expense.

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I'm not driving ten hours both ways to play a few $200 HU matches that you might or might not show up to. My hourly rate is higher playing online. I repeat my offer for play at ANY online casino or ANY site that has play money (we can have a trusted 2+2 player hold the money in trust), or I would meet you in AC or Vegas at some future point.

[jman220]

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So you are whilling to meet me in Vegas but not in Montreal? lol. No I do not play for play money because I will make moves like All-In with 32o just for fun and you won't enjoy it either. It just ticks me off when people brag about "hitting it big" when they won 80 grand play money or took a $200,000 bad beat (all play money). And, if I get too lucky I won't be happy either as it's only play money.

What are you stakes? How many games are you whilling to play to travel up here? You don't need to drive, just grab a plane, since I'm paying for a chunk of it.

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You're really dumb. I'm not saying we should play for "play money" as the prize. I'm saying we can use a play money platform (like zone.com, or yahoo.com, or any number of a ton of others out there), and we can play it freezeout style, and wager REAL MONEY on the outcome. In order to do this, we'd just need a neutral third party 2+2'er to hold both of our "buy-ins" and then award the prize to the winner. This is of course to avoid your paranoia that I am somehow a shill for online poker. I would be more than willing to just play you in a heads up freezeout on stars for any stakes over $100. But you suck at poker, and you know it, so you won't accept that challenge. As far as vegas goes, yeah we could work something out because I am there every once in a while on vacation, doing other things as well. But I sure as hell am not going to drive way the hell up to canada for 10 hours each way just to play you. Especially since I think there's a better than fifty percent chance that you wouldn't show. So my offer stands, play me on ANY poker site you want. You can't really believe that every single one of them is rigged. And failing that, play me using any online site that offers even play money poker, provided that we play it freezeout style and we place a wager on it. Oh, and you're still a dumbass.

[jman220]

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the river, providing the 3rd diamond on the board gave the the King-high nut -flush

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This is dumb and incorrect. Do you see why? No, of course you don't, you're an idiot.

[AngryCola]

This forum is for the discussion of the 2+2 Internet Magazine. If you want to discuss these other issues, the Zoo (otherwise known as the internet forum) is the place to do it.

Since this thread has become more about flaming than content, it is being locked instead of moved.